Bottom’s Up Community Building & Post-Partisanship with Seneca Scott

Bottom’s Up Community Building & Post-Partisanship with Seneca Scott
Guardian Grange
Bottom’s Up Community Building & Post-Partisanship with Seneca Scott

Sep 23 2021 | 02:43:29

Episode 2 September 23, 2021 02:43:29

Show Notes

In this episode, I’m honored to chat with Seneca Scott who is a really awesome human doing a lot of good work in his community out in West Oakland and the surrounding area bringing people together around food, culture and nurturing healthy environments.

Seneca is part of a great team at Oakhella that was born in the Lower Bottoms of West Oakland to preserve the cultural fabric of their community while welcoming newcomers. They officially launched as a micro-music festival in 2016, and have since grown into a community organization made up of young professionals who recognize the need to create spaces that encompass the broader culture of Oakland, well known for its multi-generational appeal. 

Seneca also helped build Oakhella’s sister organization, Bottoms Up Community Garden which is home to an experimental localized food system in West Oakland intended to re-shape the Lower Bottoms’ understanding of food security. They believe that through decolonizing the current industrial agricultural system, community health, nutritional awareness and biodiversity will improve… and we have some good conversations on this in the episode.

And if that’s not enough, Seneca also founded Neighbors Together Oakland which is an organization dedicated to bringing post-partisan unity and preparedness to Oakland neighborhoods.

But wait… there’s more… he recently ran for city council of district 3, and even tossed his hat in for Oakland mayor. He’s a Cornell University graduate from their school of industrial and labor relations, and he’s been an active member of Gaurdian Grange as we grow this organization.

So, needless to say Seneca is a very active member of his community and working extremely hard to do good things. I’m honored to call him a friend and excited about the work we’re doing in alignment to help communities become more resilient and food sovereign.

We actually recorded this podcast on location at Bottoms Up Community Garden, so you’ll hear some of the city sounds in the background mixed in with some chickens and other activity.

And just so you’re aware, this is a free flowing conversation that touches on wide range of topics and sensitive issues with some colorful language at time, so keep an open mind and if your ears are sensitive to swear words, just be aware that they do get thrown around in here. I try to be as clean as possible, but it’s part of the fabric of who I am and this is a real, raw conversation where we aren’t holding anything back. 

I pride myself on being transparent, and I feel we did a really good job in that regard on this podcast…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 0 00:00:00 What's up friends and fellow humans. Thank you for tuning in to the second guardian Grange podcast. I'm your host, mark Mansell Dale floor, founder of the guardian Grange nonprofit mission to facilitate veteran healing through building community around regenerative agriculture and environmental restoration. This project also serves as a seed for my broader vision of what I refer to as a soil based economy. We touch on the concept of a soul based economy, a few times in this podcast. And I explain a bit more of the vision in a first garden Grange episode, titled the vision veteran healing through nature and community, and I'll be writing and speaking a lot more on this concept in the future to include a dedicated episode on the subject. In this episode, I'm honored to chat with Seneca Scott, who is a really awesome human doing a lot of good work in his community, out west Oakland and the surrounding area, bringing people together around food culture and nurturing healthy environments. Speaker 0 00:01:09 Seneca is part of a great team at Oak hella that was born in the lower bottoms of west Oakland to preserve the cultural fabric of their community while welcoming newcomers in. They officially launched as a micro music festival in 2016 and have since grown into a community organization, made up of young professionals who recognize the need to create spaces that encompass the broader culture of Oakland, which is well-known for its multi-generational appeal. Senegal also helped build Kelleys sister organization bottoms up community garden, which is home to an experimental localized food system in west Oakland, also intended to reshape the lower bottoms, understanding of food security. They believe that through decolonizing, the current industrial agricultural system, community health nutritional awareness in biodiversity will improve. And we have some good conversations on this in the episode. And if that's not enough, Seneca also founded neighbors together, Oakland, which is an organization dedicated to bringing post-partisan unity and preparedness to Oakland neighborhoods. And wait, there's more, he recently ran for city council of district three and even tossed has had in for Oakland mayor. Speaker 0 00:02:43 He's a Cornell university graduate from their school of industrial and labor relations. And he's been an active member of guardian Grange. As we grow this organization, he's been a great help and a lot of motivation. So needless to say, you know, Seneca is very active member of his community and working extremely hard to do good things. I'm honored to call him a friend and excited about the work we're doing in alignment to help communities become more resilient and food sovereign. We actually recorded this podcast on location at bottoms up community gardens. So you'll hear some of the city sounds in the background mixed in with some chickens and other activity. Speaker 0 00:03:31 And just so you're aware, this is a free flowing conversation that touches on a wide range of topics in sensitive issues with some colorful language at times. So keep an open mind and if your ears are sensitive to a harsh language, just be aware that they do get thrown around in here. I try to be as clean as possible, but it's a part of the fabric of who I am. And it was just a real raw conversation where we aren't holding anything back. So I tried my pride myself on being transparent and I feel we did a really good job in that regard on this podcast. So I'm excited to hear what you all think. Speaker 0 00:04:18 And before we get into the actual podcast, I just want to remind you that guardian green is a registered 5 0 1 C3 nonprofit. You can learn more about head into www Doug guardian,, that's guardian and G R a N G E Grange. You can find us on social media there or under your search guardian Grange. And, uh, you can donate through the website if you feel like a support in the division in this podcast, uh, any little bit helps, you know, it's, uh, it's all very much appreciated, help us push this mission forward. Also, if you go to the website up in the, up in the top area, you'll see somewhere for a link to our YouTube channel, and I'm going to start posting video clips from the podcast there and some other like video content. So if you don't mind heading over and subscribing to that YouTube channel, we need, uh, like a hundred scribers to help us set the channel URL name to guardian Grange instead of the, the jumble of letters that it currently is that they kind of give you when you start up a channel. So that would be a little small action you could take that would help us out cause, uh, it'll help us find help people find us on YouTube a little bit easier. Speaker 0 00:05:36 And one last thing before we get into this podcast, I'd like to thank our sponsor for this episode, Dr. Bronner's, I'm sure you've seen their products floating around out there in the consumer verse, but what you may not be aware of is that their products are all natural ethically sourced and behind the scenes, they're doing great things like donating 5% of their profits to support causes. They care about like guardian Grange. I also appreciate how they defy the typical modern corporate structure by paying the top exec a max of five times with the lowest paid employee makes. I think that shows just a real healthy vision for both their company and compassion for their employees. You make your run, keeps the management team grounded closer to reality, at least a little bit. And, uh, I imagine it helps create a real sense of community. I really like seeing the effort and I hope to see it expand to include other communities as well. All right, friends and fellow humans, let's get into this episode with my good friend and a powerful force of nature for positive transformation. Seneca Scott. Yeah. Let's shout it. Well, let's shout what we're going to chat about. Basically a neighbors together, but we'll chat about like where we're at bottoms up community. Speaker 1 00:06:59 Um, co-founder Jason Barnes is in the kitchen making breakfast we've been here, so he is a bacon lot plied it. Um, now it's like a thriving garden. People come in and chicken eggs, um, goat milk. It's a, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. We started off with a few hardcore members. Um, I would say Jason has been the main stay over the years, myself to a lesser extent. And I messaged statements on the wall, um, dedicated to the colonizing because industrial food sector, building localized agricultural system, um, and bringing our neighbors together to around food systems. So Speaker 0 00:07:50 Yeah, man, that's, I mean, I'm a completely aligned with it. That's the guardian grains, you know that, uh, obviously you're a part of been a big help and yeah, same exact mission decentralized and everything getting a local community base, which is really when he's happened, you know, to, for society to get back to a thriving state instead of like this circles that we're running in that are just like continuing to deplete in destroy shit. And like, yeah, it's just a big, big mess, but it's all good Speaker 1 00:08:21 And normalize some different stuff. So, I mean, for kids who grew up here, they grew up in a neighborhood that had lifestyle for good pilot alive. Yeah. At least on that corner. Speaker 0 00:08:36 Yeah. And we're, cause we didn't go over that where we're at, we're in west Oakland, Speaker 1 00:08:39 What's Oakland and the lower bottoms and home with the black Panthers were founded here. Um, this is the first black neighborhood in Oakland. They all worked with the Pullman porters shipyard or the black folks who came from the south doing the migration. And um, especially during world war two, the ship guys were like pumping out boats for the war, like crazy. So everybody came to the welcome, the shipyards. There was the first black middle class. Um, I don't like history here over the years. And before black folks came here at the turn of the century, this is where all the rich people in San Francisco used to come to summer. Yeah. They're like a people thing, right. When you summer somewhere, but there's houses that you see around you are all built, you know, in 1908, a lot of them have plaques on it. 1916, Northeast style architecture like Victorian Massachusets and stuff. Speaker 1 00:09:37 These are massive homes and people literally bought them to leave San Francisco, but who that was stinky and come over here with the weather was fresher. Yeah. So it was designed a very purposeful, it's a really cool neighborhood because it's a, cul-de-sac not many neighborhoods don't have any through traffic. So you're over here and you're here for like, you live here, you have someone like business actor. So I'm actually like a really close to that neighborhood. And it's the perfect place for, for us to do our thing and try to incubate the neighbors together program, which is bringing people together mainly around localized agricultural systems. Um, BNI, mainstay. We've seen like this whole area here has been transformative to the neighborhood, but I was still, when we first moved here, they were like dice games or that corner. We're like two, two, how many people, Jason at the most a hundred people, but most, usually at least a couple dozen people like armed guards, like people on the outskirts. Speaker 1 00:10:37 How long ago was that? When you first six years, we started eight years ago. So now it's kind of gradually moved away to move. Um, people just move and I kind of went to other places to do their thing, right? We're not judgmental. Um, like you're not doing anything. That's unsafe. People have been here for generations and you know, we just got here 10 years ago. You need to respect, I don't do the whole gentle Foucault gentefication thing. Um, there's a, there is a global consolidation of wealth that's happening globally right here, too. Right. But in terms of people moving here, people moving here and you got a lot of upper middle class, you got some poor, nobody's moving here to this neighborhood who is not at least somewhat aware that they're moving into a black neighborhood. That was impoverished for a few decades. It's obvious when you come about here, it's the herd. Speaker 1 00:11:36 Right. I spent 1.2, $1.5 million in the hood. You don't even know then there's no vegetable. It's not like we moved to a gentrified, Brooklyn with his coffee shop. It's none of that here. Right? So like you move to north Oakland, you move somewhere else where you have, we don't have that here. So people who come here are a little bit more, um, free spilled it. I would say it's better for us to employ that. Then demonize people because they don't fit with the neighborhood. Traditionally looks like the funny part about it is it's the people who live here. Aren't the ones doing that. It's an issue less, we sit newcomer, right? So like kind of just debunking that myth, that black people don't want anybody to move with their hoods. It's just not true. Jason, as well. We see we've got our neighbor, Tim, Tim is the notice dorkiest white dude. You could ever imagine from Connecticut, but he came here and he's mad about people speeding down the street. So think about this. So I, I moved to the neighborhood in Oakland where people are known for car, culture and sideshow. I complain about reckless driving and traffic pilots. I learned at that time from home, put a good time to traffic violence, really somatic and shit. And then we put some cameras on his house to catch people complaining about it. Speaker 1 00:12:55 Anywhere else do going be like, shoot, it's a fire and all that. No, the neighborhood fucking a lot there. And now we have traffic circles come in who fought and got traffic circles like vocally. So just like Berkeley high touch thing. We got them now. Cause there's one new white dude, move the animals like yo, this thing safe. I ride bikes. Like here's the thing. It's order of operation. You didn't just do that from a position of, I know better than everyone here. He talked to everyone who could have the neighborhood. How would this be? We see who's going to be mad if I did that. No, it makes perfect sense to me. And that's how people are. Sometimes people just want to be respected as spoke to the idea itself. What is the problem? I've done the idea with our talk with the elders and people in the neighborhood. Speaker 1 00:13:39 They were going to ask surveillance, or I don't know what your intentions are or like, you know, like you just got here and you putting up cameras and shit. But he moved here within six months. He put up cameras what he did and how he did it with two different things, the license, how he did that shit to people who live here in a non-judgemental way. But he didn't back down whom alluded to a position that it should not be okay to allow people to drive to the streets, to establish the children here, the elders here. And he doesn't assume because a few people say that the culture here, that that is the monolith for like, that's what black people. Cause that's the way since it's fuck. It's like, no, that's what people think I'm going to put. See? Who tells me all the Heath, you got white folks. Right? So what I learned from that, in this neighborhood, like, it's the complex shit. Like this is the hood, bro. You got the projects to own. The two biggest projects in Oakland are openish neighborhood, which is the reason why they should, the black neighborhood is blackness. They all live in the projects for the most part. People do live in a home still, but not as much. The diversity comes from the housing project. And I mean, it's probably the best place I've ever learned. Speaker 0 00:14:53 Dude. It's beautiful Speaker 1 00:14:56 People. But they come here and get to piggyback in a good way off the work, the neighborhood's stowing and all that is. It's just honest losers trying to help people, trying to get past this division, look past to like all the PSYOPs and all the social media division. Right. That's why I call us, how do we get in touch with you? And I was like, oh, you can, you can find out propaganda here. Then I was like, I always say propaganda because that's a Tom neutral, Speaker 1 00:15:32 Make you do something I want to, I want to change. I'm going to condition you. And I want to move you to action. Right? So I'm using the medium to move you to action. It's propaganda. I say that because I want people to be self aware that everything you see is gun, that everything you consume, right? That you didn't produce, your style is meant to manipulate you in some way, whether good or bad it used to be self-aware to the extent that you can, what is, what is the reason for that? So I put it together. Um, so that's the long asymmetrical story of the garden. I was trying to show people how to live. And if you're going to live in a city, we can transform the way cities are meant to do. Right? You don't have to like move with a country to homestead. Yeah. We can do that shit. And your block, Speaker 0 00:16:23 Know the people that care. And like you said, you know, neighbors, neighbors together, the community like people who actually care like the, the bro who moved in here. I mean, he, what he knew inherently, what he, as a good person is that people actually give a shit, people care about where their children are growing up, like the place in which they live. And it's always like outside perspective or outsiders moving through that are either passing judgment or like spinning up some propaganda saying like, oh, you know, these, these places are just bad places or something, but it's like, Speaker 1 00:17:03 And this is the big theme of America that we need to be honest, where we equate, wow, we're uh, being good. Then we equate poverty with being bad because theoretically in a land of opportunity, if you don't have, wow, you're lazy. And there is some truth to that. But it was a lot of people who work hardest, crazy hard. I look at our laborers who produce to get our food for us, hard working people. Speaker 0 00:17:36 Um, and there's there's truth to the truth that people don't acknowledge, which is the financial system itself is weaponized, you know, to the, the people who create essentially the currency extract all that wall from anywhere. And no matter how hard you work, if they turn that printing, press on you. And then the wall street moves in. And the big, big businesses take over the small mom and pops and it pulls localization away. Whether it's here, whether it's in like rural agriculture land, it's the same issues happening all over the country, Speaker 1 00:18:09 Evolution, the world revolution. And to me partially, the reason for all the division has and continues to be, was it Henry Ford? Who said that? Somebody said that people realize how the banking system work there'll be a revolution tomorrow or something like that. Yeah. People were like, I have to go to work this job. I don't want to do that. Barely allows me to sustain myself when I'm falling behind, because my job doesn't go up to the inflation rates and things are getting more expensive for my income is not. And then I know that there are entities out there who to, to point out money on a computer screen and give it to them buddies, which is essentially what's happening Speaker 0 00:18:52 Extraction. It's evil. I call it a it's extraction. Cause if you look at all wealth, whatever you want to call it, whatever you measured in dollars, it's just a measurement of human effort, human labor in these numbers. And then when someone can manipulate that and extract out, it's literally theft, but people don't see because they didn't come in like pickpocket, you are breaking into your house, the same theft. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:19:16 Uh, by the same goods and services that are now scarce. So not only our goods and services become a scariest tos to passion issue due to the earth pay to say, Hey, fr you're not shooting me. Right. So you got to see some consequences of percussion, uh, not counting for me. Right. And that's just my opinion. Think about how that, whatever your opinion is, the facts. We may not. We have supply chain issues that are being solved with the time. So, and you have a decreased amount of goods and services due to a global pandemic. I don't like to say, do two o'clock for simplicity sake. Due to a global pandemic, there is increasing by tens of billions of dollars per day, $50 billion yesterday. I think the first point of, Speaker 0 00:20:07 And it does, it does, the numbers are like they might as well be imaginary because they are just, it's just a method of extraction because you know, you print off however many trillions of dollars and you infuse it into the system from one end of the spectrum of wealth. And then it starts that that wealth starts buying up resources and inflating the prices. And that's why houses and buildings and lumber and groceries and everything starts going up. And the system's just inherently built to break, to break down. And the answer is what you're doing here. Like local work, produce food locally. And then you're not relying upon transplants automobiles, these massive infrastructures that are fragile require assembly lines. And they, they, they can be broken down when it's just one cog of that machine. Speaker 1 00:21:01 Well, as I say want them, right? So sometimes it's not artificial sometime it's manipulative. And you know, what's crazy. Jason talks about this a lot, cause I don't, you know, my grandfather, um, did the similar thing cause he's from a small south from Alabama. So he parked a lot next to his how, and he didn't have lifestyle cause the Cleveland is called, but he always had like a pay cut. And he went out an hour out to get quarter like cows and pigs. And he bought a bathroom but had a pleaser. So he was kinda old school. So I was exposed to it, but it wasn't something that we did in my family, but we've benefited from it because we always had access to infrastructure. But Jason points out a lot. I caught him, found out that all of those food would be barely enough to feed us for if this is all we had to rely on. And probably not even that because we don't staple grains. So we will have to grow some potatoes, some corn and some staple glands. Right. And then the amount of land that we have probably produce food for babies, 10 people. So incubate more agricultural systems. Speaker 0 00:22:13 It's a proof of concept. And I mean, in my, in my mind, my vision of, uh, what I call like the soul based economy. So I'll base society is that any community built responsibly has its um, means to produce its own food. And that could just be like, you know, if you have the ability to have a garden in your front yard, your backyard, whatever that you have food growing and then you can share with neighbors, you know, someone might have the ability to have some goats. Like you guys got some goats on one of your plus milk and how many, how much milk are you? How many goats do you have and how much milk? Speaker 1 00:22:47 No. Jason, how much did we get in the day now? Not that much. Now three pies, maybe three chords. But at the top it was like a gallon and a half from three goats a day. Um, and that's just still you go buy entire, we was drinking it right now and our coffee. Yeah. I mean, they're not even like the most efficient milk, but the point is just milk. And three goats have to do hundreds of thousands of calories that are healthy. Speaker 0 00:23:16 It's super nutrition. And it's the, and it's raw, which is the best, Speaker 1 00:23:25 I mean goes to the most commonly milk mammo in the wall for milk consumption because they're cleaner and a little bit more efficient than cattle. Right. Speaker 0 00:23:34 It's delicious too. Like the first time I had the milk from here, I was like, man, I can drink like a gallon of this. Speaker 1 00:23:41 Yeah. I have a firm. I stay with me from Brooklyn, my friend cavalier, amazing music artist and thinker and creative. He doesn't, he's a vegan, don't drink dairy drink because we told her, I was like, Hey man, you can drink. The golden milk is not going to get you fucked up. You know, your stomach is good. It's not passionate about it. And his son has been doing, cause he's been social. He has like a window. So he consortium it kid. Right. And so he's tried it with a and next day he was like, I'm just gonna share. Speaker 0 00:24:15 There's a lot of the, you mentioned like your bros, a vegan and a lot of that stems around like really industrialized agriculture. And, but when you come and see that you're doing things right, treating animals good, like it makes a big difference. You know? Speaker 1 00:24:29 No, I don't want to distribute. I'm not a vegan. Obviously I'm drinking goat milk. I don't distribute against, um, I have friends in the industry. I think you actually know violence, violence family. The ankle Heights started cafe gratitude. These world who are living restaurants. Look at this story. This group of people, organic farmers, hemp farmers, Ethica as hippie granola country. As you can get no offense. Doesn't mind peoples. I love them. Move out to Cali and start going food and doing living food. And then they started doing cook vegan food because it makes more money. Everybody don't eat well, but then they started eating animals. Why? Because these are willing and Lunchables who are always learning open Speaker 0 00:25:17 Minded, open minded. Speaker 1 00:25:19 And when I realized that in a soil based with generative economy and animals play a vital role, Speaker 0 00:25:25 Yeah, it's got it. You got to incorporate the full cycle of food web. You have to be responsive, responsibly, participate in all of it and not create imbalances in the system, Speaker 1 00:25:35 The whole shit up. Also just the amount of energy, the amount of work and calories that you have to cause this is what people forget about an industrial sector, right? We lose track of like the synergy between input and output animal can carets take care of glazing land. I rotate them and then I can eat them and get all that nutrition. Initially I didn't have to work for it's a lot more advantageous to spending my calories, to grow all of these different life form to create the nutrition, potentially what I could have got essentially from the cow sacrifice. Right? Like it's like, Speaker 0 00:26:19 And, and, and like we all sacrifice, you know what I mean? We all get eaten one day. I, I like to say like life feeds on life, you know, it just, it is what it is. And it's, you know, people, um, when you're detached from like the food process, whether that's haunting or growing or whatever, it's, um, people create these ideas in their mind of like what's going on. And like, they can say like, oh, well harvesting an animal is like an evil act when it's, it's not because if you're, if you're participating in the life cycle in a responsible way, number one, you care about those ambulance animals, that population, whether you're a hunter or, uh, a rancher like you, you, you have to care unless your emotional Speaker 1 00:27:00 Feeling when you say to Speaker 0 00:27:01 Yeah. And it's a, it's a sacred act. I mean, you're, the animal is sacrificing for, to provide, you know, just the same as the plants. Do, you know, the plants do as well, but people don't technically, uh, see that the same because there's not the eyes and the face and the emotions that you can, Speaker 1 00:27:18 They don't have to deal with that at all. It's completely removed from them. And we saw that for a long time as privileged and progress. And now we're realizing maybe not so much. Speaker 0 00:27:28 Yeah. And there's this, this big, ah, I call it a pendulum shift. Cause if you look at just, let's just take American what it became to right now, which is like the peak of this, uh, like corporate industrialized, global massive just behemoths of machines, like yet Walmarts in these big box stores. And, and, and even like, you're get, you're even going away for that, for like the Amazon models where it's just like these warehouses that are just controlling everything and with the economic system, as it is like, it, it they're cutting costs. So they, they get success from it. But the health of humans and the environment, the entire foods, food web just completely gets punished and degraded. And it's just not, uh, Speaker 1 00:28:15 The sustainable thing. I wish that it was just an unfortunate byproduct of, Speaker 0 00:28:21 Oh, it's not on. Yeah. There's intention behind a lot of Speaker 1 00:28:24 Right. It will be a lot easier to deal with this. Speaker 0 00:28:28 People would be like, oh yeah, you know, you're right. We will actually want what's best for everybody. But there are for sure, as a group of people there, a type of person ego, I like to call it like a shadow of ego that just wants to control everything. And if people are flourishing in the communities in a decentralized manner, then how can a centralized body of whatever the fuck you want to call it from whatever label you want to put on it. Um, they can't have that power. They can't control like what's going on in west Oakland, from DC or, or Georgia or wherever, or like somewhere in Europe, you know? Like it just doesn't work that way. Because if people are happy and healthy and you have a good solid, yeah. There's, someone's going to come in as an outsider and be like, oh, Hey, we want you to do things this way. We're like, well, no, our lives pretty good. Like we're taking care of herself. Everybody's happy. Um, why do we need you? And so that's why they have to create issues and problems. Yeah. Like, Hey, we're going to, we're going to go away and create some problems and then run some propaganda and, Speaker 1 00:29:25 And we'll present your water source or we'll do something Speaker 0 00:29:30 Like they're doing to the, they've been doing to the natives since forever. Like putting pipelines through the water sources to poison all of the fucking, the drinking water. Speaker 1 00:29:38 I mean, it's, it's really, it's really bad. And I think that we don't want to see that because then we know that we have to have a stake in fixing it. And it's terrifying. We know that you have to go and fight so Speaker 0 00:29:51 Responsibility Speaker 1 00:29:52 Responsible. It's not, it's not an easy thing. It's easy to just pass it off and say, well, I can make it right now. I mean, Jason is from Michigan. Bloomberg went to Michigan to campaign for president. I forgot the amount that he spent. I think it was like $500 million. I could be wrong. Whatever his spirit was, a sticker shock. And with a fixed Flint water. Yeah. We're still isn't fixed. So we wanted to get some votes in Michigan. Add you didn't just take the money and go solve a problem that would've made you a, these aren't dumb people. Nope. A really smart guy. He knew he could have solved that problem. I'm not going to solve that problem deliberately. Do people need to look at you with, see what happens when you don't fuck with the government will poison the water and laugh at you. Right? So we control that while they're still drinking bottled water in Flint, serious, serious. Right now, some of it may be a little bit FIC and the people who there was some lawsuits passed or whatever, with a fundamentally, it's still a problem. The why the largest source of fresh water in the world Speaker 0 00:31:03 And the, and the honestly like the water pretty much everywhere is fucked at some level that goes contaminants. There's blues. And there's no excuse for it at all. Speaker 1 00:31:11 I don't want to do that there because the other people started saying, what about our water source? I mean, the clothing off smell better. Get you a Berkey water Tosha. If you're not showing the tap water though to it, um, just bite the bullet and buy that book. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:31:27 I, I drink a spring water or filtered water and, you know, cause I drank a shit ton of water since I was a kid I've always drank, like, I'll drink eight glasses of water with a meal. Um, and I can, I mean, I can taste and smell like this water is as bad. Like it feels chemically. It feel, uh, dead. Like it just, all of my instincts are like, you don't don't even drink this. Don't don't drink this. And this is that's in like, let's say Ohio or San Diego or wherever. Like it's all, it's all shit. And it's unacceptable. And the thing is like, yeah, like we're talking about responsibility and accountability to people. People individually don't want to take responsibility sometimes. And then accountability on like the bigger perspective of like a mass polluter who was, um, you know, in the, in the corporate world, like maybe like a big seen as a big hero because they get so much profit or something, but you're destroying all kinds of shit. And like what, what is in my, in my mind, true wealth is human beings working together. Um, and the land being healthy, you get health, like what's, what's beyond health. Like if you're healthy, you got food, you got good people and what, yeah, Speaker 1 00:32:41 I can't control you. Right? I mean, it's, it's, it's really, um, I had a thought, I was, I was shoeing on if we have a lot of people, there will be a need for mass agriculture to feed a population. Sure. At our current population quo, we'll need to aside herbal land Brazil by some studies to continue sustain that our life. To me, those are flushed studies. And as a couple agenda it's gone right here. We can kind of segue into, we have what we're calling. We don't have to go down a rabbit hole of what we're calling a global pandemic, that by all metrics of what, and I like to just take what the data is being presented, the official data, because if you can take the official data and still show the narrative, it's problematic that people can't see it. I don't even have to say that they're missing something. I can tell you the same data you've accepted this narrative and show that you're kind of Aw, well, if you're far too main and our health is the most important thing to me in dealing with a pandemic and we know that we have a public health issue, why is the Kuwaiti new deal to fix climate change issues, all the choices of dollars and all of these policy changes and that line, but no national campaign to increase any environmental toxins. Speaker 1 00:34:27 The things that we know are happening, I've debate it with people. Climate changes at a time it's debatable. Whether on a mass scale, mankind is creating some of these things the way we think, the way that we want to change our policy, the policy, the policy is not reflecting the world. Speaker 0 00:34:49 It's naming one thing CO2 and not liking that pesticides Speaker 1 00:34:55 Water, uh, Speaker 0 00:34:56 How you structure cities and communities and take Speaker 1 00:35:02 There's no real thought process to really improve that. I mean, it's just the OSA itself. The fact that it's becoming acidic Speaker 0 00:35:12 And no one wants to look at the pesticides that are running off the aluminum particulates that's falling in from the air. Like they just want to say, Speaker 1 00:35:18 <inaudible> we invite the hydrogen cyanide poisoning, hydrogen cyanide poisoning. Wasn't a major align with sound in 2019, particularly in certain cities like New York, et cetera. And if you look at hydrogen cyanide poisoning in a treatment regimen for environmental toxicity, the thing that you would use to treat COVID or the opposite of you with things that you would do to treat toxicity and to treat and not real goodness, just a basic level stuff, because I'm not a doctor look up treatment courses for environmental toxicity level from hydrogen cyanide poisoning. One of the reasons why we had massive levels of hydrogen cyanide poisoning, because we had all these fires, right? We have all these fires around the world. I show you all of that. Increasing on top of the environment of toxicity levels, took it over threshold where people are getting sick from their firemen in the cities that just happen to have the most intense COVID death. Speaker 1 00:36:17 And then a treatment regiment before you had a pandemic, if identifies you with having hydrogen cyanide poisoning, I gave you a treatment course of found works, and I'm not going to look it up. What it doesn't do is give you oxygen. What they found is that given someone out of oxygen to fix environmental toxicity issue was counterproductive and cause death. So they stop using that course of treatment for hydrogen cyanide poisoning, all these people dying, um, oxygen coming out now that we may have killed some of those people for my treatment registry. So nobody wants to talk about any of this, even though medical doctors are talking about, Speaker 0 00:37:04 Yeah, they don't want to take responsibility and to such a degree that they sensor human beings who have expertise in areas for just raising the question like, Hey, we should probably look at this. And they're like, Speaker 1 00:37:15 There's a question though. Forget your water, but good. The soil health of the community produce a localized agriculture system. You're tethered to this just-in-time delivery system. You control by implication. They just include the food stamp at 25%. Wow. Because they know the food is going up 25. Oh, it has gone up this combination of swing. Flotations push it more like 30, 40%. Well, I can, if you look at the price and how, what should get in an argument is, well, we throw away food. Anyway, Americans are fat or that's a different campaign and moose spending more money for less product. Speaker 0 00:37:56 Yeah. Yeah. That's a direct reflection of the weaponized financial system that gets extracted because whatever you're getting paid the same, you're working for the same, you know, or in business, you're still acquiring the same, um, amount of wealth, whatever, the amount of currency going. And then someone that produces nothing for the economy that this wealth represents, just so happens to let's say like a really extreme example. You just double the amount of currency that exists. What does that do? It reduces everything. Speaker 1 00:38:28 And I've got the, yeah. So last week, I don't know if people, I mean, this is a free flowing conversation. If it's hard to follow my apologies because everything is connected. And so doing that, going to the other thing, it's a web it's so well, he look crazy until they figured it out, Speaker 0 00:38:52 But it's not crazy. Cause if you, anyone can walk, anyone's free to walk into a forest and look at how a forest, a natural system operates. It's not a linear thing. There's different varieties of trees and plants and different microbes in the soil and different animals moving around shitting and stomping around and scratching trees. Great in this environment as well, Speaker 1 00:39:11 Natural extinction, it had nothing to do with man and natural nucleation of different species. I mean, Jason points out a lot. Jason used to be here for the podcast, but, um, he was talking to someone about fires. So it looks like there are two use that only if a fire happens. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:39:32 Fungus to like a fire morels and stuff. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:39:35 Fires and natural part of this process, this winning where and how you control it with control bugs instead of was how, it's, how it happened with people. But without people, what happens is you have different writing cycles. Sometimes it's about to stop post up and I sit and everything catches on fire and it starts over again. We just have power lives, not lightening. So what are the fiscal? You may be fucking a natural shit up. Yeah. Blame, not the fires, but no fire is a part of, Speaker 0 00:40:11 Uh, a responsible managed like the natives dead for hundreds of thousands of years control burns. And also, so you have the lack of control burns and the over forestation over deforestation of trees. And then you get like, let's say a mono crop of trees that is highly susceptible to like a parasitic fungus that is seen as wipe out an entire. Speaker 1 00:40:34 Now you lost that and the balances are, but the balance will always be we store it. Speaker 0 00:40:40 Um, Speaker 1 00:40:41 It's just all fragility people. And that's the humbling thing to stop trying to control it and figuring out how to, how to shepherd it and live with it. Um, then maybe more lessons will come for absolutely there's a lot. We don't know obviously about this planet and its potential. Speaker 0 00:41:04 Th the, the amount of like, like there's a, like go ahead and create a tree, like as a human being, like create a tree or you could just get a seed and plant it and watch that grill. And you can try to explain a way, like how that works. You can study it mechanistically, and, but you can't create the damn tree that nature created. And then now you apply that to a forest and microbes and all that stuff. And we, our role as responsible human beings is to participate and to inputs and to, to, to, you know, where it makes sense. It's a great synergies. You know, like you look at, uh, the Amazon rain forest and how that was essentially created in a participatory way. They didn't invent the rainforest or any of those things, but In a way that made sense Speaker 1 00:41:51 Because very audible, um, if you look at how they did Oakland wide outside these trees out all, I would say over half the shoes you see on our neighborhood are edible. These are all plum shoes. This makes you barely, that's like a nice Speaker 0 00:42:05 What's Alan Speaker 1 00:42:06 Called struck a strawberry and a Kiwi together. I don't know what it's called, but it tastes exactly like a strawberry pop out. I think garlic scratch, like at Oakland was really intentionally planted with fennel everywhere. Speaker 0 00:42:27 Yeah. And when there's not a whole bunch of heavy metals polluting, polluting the natural garden, that's going on then it's Speaker 1 00:42:35 Yeah. I mean, we'd have to, we're sitting on two feet of wood chips and if you're in west Oakland and all the environment's toxic, you have to bring in the old soil to grow food for sure. Which is really like, it's really a problem. Um, Speaker 0 00:42:50 And no one's taught and no one in the official narrative is talking about any of the act. The toxic pollutants has caused for any number of sicknesses and illnesses. Things that have no known cause potentially because people don't look in it or maybe they're paid to look in a different area as a research, Speaker 1 00:43:08 Ah, the lobbyists they pay, you know, it's taking to be, well, the average citizen, if you ask them in 2019, do you trust your healthcare system overwhelmingly? They would tell you, no, you polled the black communities. Do you trust the healthcare system? A numbers of poli when Pyre, matter of fact, there's a statement that's popular and progressive black. Everybody's got the moon doesn't mean that was super popular at the time. It says, because I'm staying. I'm not saying I agree with this man, but just to put it in context, how far we've allowed ourselves to be moved within a few short days, 2019 with doctors are the black woman. What police are to black men and auto works not oh, awake. There's a distinction between the awaken the work big time. But all the walks were like, yeah, yeah. Why you say that? Well, black women are dying and pregnancy infant mortality rates are far higher for black women. When you poll in 1997, there was a study done where they asked darker black people exposed so less pain. Other the majority of docos, 57% said, yeah, medical doctors, Speaker 0 00:44:35 They feel that they experienced. Speaker 1 00:44:39 So there are some key indicators, black people's mistrust of the medical system. Absolutely. This meme was super popular. Police Dockers out of black woman, a police side of black men, basically saying that Catholic killing black and dark as we call them black women. And it was big, all these things to do to reimagine our medical system and make it like not so racist, whatever, no corrective measures taken between now. And then with all of a sudden open night, when you ask me for that, we get really upset because I'm usually at the challenge. People who said, well, I noticed that you said this before, when it that trust, what was that trust? We store it. When those Dockers who you said will kill him, black woman. And why should black women trust those doctors? Well, this is different. Speaker 0 00:45:37 The difference is the fear, the amount of good that has been injected into the psyche of Speaker 1 00:45:42 Well humans. Like you should be afraid can Speaker 0 00:45:52 Be if it's, if it's accurate, it's like any, any emotion, if it's honest and true is healthy. But if it's, if it's fake, if it's artificial, then that's where manipulation comes in. Because when someone's in an emotional state, they make decisions based off of that instead of their broader awareness and in paying attention and assessing and observing like, okay, what's actually going on here cause you make quicker decisions. Speaker 1 00:46:14 I'm going to try to who I know has power. Yeah. So what I in my explanation is, you know, that the 32 is not good, which you know that they are powerful. So you trust the power, but you don't trust her intention, but there's no one else out there who you being powerful because the people have lost their power. If the people had some power and we had, and this is the collectivism that those are, those are Delta shifting political systems you need in society. You go from individualism to collectivism, right? We use those words, it's capitalist and socialist. Those tones aren't necessarily the best time with Speaker 0 00:46:59 Weaponizing. And it brings people to a narrow beam of thought where a healthy society, I was looking at like balance, right? It would be balanced between like respectful individuals and honest community. When you, when you get beyond the community, it's too far removed for any, um, honest work to be getting done because it's someone from outside telling people within their area like, oh, how you need to exist as an individual and as a community, when it can, it should be completely up to the people who are participating. Speaker 1 00:47:36 That's more tribalism. We're not set up that way. Um, maybe that is the better way Speaker 0 00:47:46 America. It kind of went that direction though, from where it came, you know, like when the, when the founders with, uh, states' rights and limited federal government, they, they still like hung on to some bullshit and then tried to create some, some, some better shit, um, where it was more power towards the people. And then over time, like it just got sucked back in through policy shifts and addition of laws and blah, blah, blah. Speaker 1 00:48:14 I mean, now you have, I mean, we we've talked about the mass psychosis and the mental side here. I have a new, um, Speaker 0 00:48:22 Real quick as a Speaker 1 00:48:25 After school, I've shared that many times. It was really good. They have more to the flashlight, the whole series. They have like a couple of really good ones really. Well. One thing that stood out to me about that was our inability to intellectually like point out it was a mission and my facts or logic and people can Speaker 0 00:48:49 Now it's now, it's now it's if we don't agree and it challenges my thinking or my belief system, I doesn't need to like cancel and block and pretend that these people don't agree. Speaker 1 00:48:59 I don't want to be, so I'm not going to respond. I find my <inaudible>. Why would I think that I can have a battle app? So I have a new thing that I've been doing lately with COVID right. And you know, and I've been to styling, like how transparent, how much do people disclose during these times where people are watching? And it's just a village thing and everybody's hinting at star. And it's just never the way I live my life. Right. So how did the debate with a friend of mine, who's a DACA and the medical doctor who was from Miami day county treated COVID potion. All of that smart guy thinks fallacy made it in a lab. So he's not completely. Yeah. I said, he said saying, why wouldn't you get a fashion? And I says, well, I don't trust this medical system. He was like, you've got to trust the science. I said, great. I'm just going to do what South Korea does. This is what I do now to people, someone do a South Korea does have a question for you, South Korea. We have a longer life expectancy. Do Americans, do they have higher tests and stem scores in America? Number two, we were like way down. And they're like, like tins. So the healthier, the smarter, how many doctors Speaker 0 00:50:27 Do they have per capita? Or they have more doctors per capita than America. Okay, cool. I'm just going to follow the COVID protocol. No questions asked I'm following South Korea and they didn't slave my people and they didn't make the vaccines that'd be used. So they don't have any skin in the game. I just gave you all these identifiable metrics of why a logical person could trust South Korea medical system over America. I mean, I, you, a question, are you aware of what South Korea is doing or you're not. Okay. So if I followed a system, am I not following a science? I'm following better science in America, but are measurable metrics, right? Well, I'm not going to go into what was said, but it wasn't completely lost over that. Of course. Get back home challenge, the beliefs. What Speaker 1 00:51:14 Are they doing there? Because I just gave you all of the extents. They're better scientists and Americans are. We know they're not because we have been at the best Susan, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah. But we died quicker, right? If the measure of intelligence with only absolute that I could think of sometimes as life in that, that's an absolute delivering. How are we better than them? Water stuff they're doing makes them live a longer, sorry. You don't have good answers for me. Think deeply about what I'm saying. I'm not trying to beat you. I'm trying to talk with you to get through your doctor. You have skills, you can save lives. I don't have, but I got shot. Right? DACA. You could literally save gunshot wounds. I can't, you valuable members of society. We can't lose you to mass psychosis and just falling in line with Speaker 0 00:52:13 Yeah. But there's a, there's a difference of the, um, like acute traumatic protocol of a medical system. Like, you know, I was in the military. I can handle someone, get shot, you know, and get them to, uh, to a place where they, I can prolong their life. Yeah. Um, and then the medical system is bad asset at that at treating trauma. But when it comes to chronic illnesses, neurodegenerative diseases, these different things that have these labels applied to them, and then you attach it to a basket of symptoms. And then they have these protocols that are, they call treatments, but it's really symptom management. Right. Because the thing never goes away. And so as a measure of success, yeah. They make a lot of money off of that. And as a measure of success, like it's a, it's a partial success. Like, oh, you still have whatever's wrong with you, but you feel it a little bit less and you're alive. And we're just going to keep you on that, that open wound protocol, as opposed to like, let's get to the root cause of why this exists. And it goes back to not wanting to take responsibility and accountability. So no one looks into the depths or people do, but the conversations aren't allowed to have a credible platform in discussion where they completely Speaker 1 00:53:27 Dismissed half of what the world's doing. And the medical system, you go to the Western countries, especially Asian one Chinese medicine. And they do their modern stuff together. It's not an either or choice. It's like you do Bo like you always try the ancient methods first, before you even go there. I said, that's why I chose South Korea because do you smell? You're looking at like the homeopathic treatments, people, their food, and like all of that. And these people, have you ever seen like South Korea, Like probiotic style, Speaker 0 00:54:13 It's much more naturally balanced. It's connected to nature. And, and that's the thing, like, there's so much intelligence within this natural world that you cannot like, you're your most genius person and group of people, whatever you want to call it that are never going to even come close to the natural wisdom that exists. That's why I like to contrast like artificial intelligence with natural wisdom, because nature wins hands down every time over any amount of Eagles that you could acquire into a body or a group or whatever they will never, ever, ever out-compete nature. Can't Speaker 1 00:54:50 I never say never. I don't think it's favorable in our lifetime for sure. But Speaker 0 00:54:58 I would make a distinction of, oh, a wise group of humans wouldn't even be trying to compete with it. They be Speaker 1 00:55:05 What, what is that? Speaker 0 00:55:11 That's what it looks like for a lot of people who want to control everything Speaker 1 00:55:15 You have out of this. And I want to hang on because if I just look like I'm in my late seventies and by my production, if I hang on to him or point where we've solved our mental and age with decline due to CRISPR CAS nine and genetic modification stuff, and I'll live forever. I mean, that's like, I mean, who am I to judge you? But is that a good thing? Speaker 0 00:55:48 Yeah, exactly. I don't, I don't judge that either, but what I, what I feel of that is it's, um, it's a, it's another disconnection from the, the cycle of life because death is a part of it. And people have, there's so much uncertainty in the modern world in ways of knowing reality that, um, people have a lot of fear around death, no matter what their beliefs is or isn't, you know, there's this, this unknown and a lot of people's lives uncomfortability with death. Whereas how I personally look at death as an exchange of energy, like we were, there was time that we weren't in this form and we were born and here we are. And then we exit and I'm at peace with my death, whenever that happens, because it's a part of, it's a part of what needs to happen. Speaker 1 00:56:37 I don't have a choice. I would say that I'm not, it's not something I think about now, but I do appreciate people who think about it because that's where you get a lot of your theology that is rooted in trying to figure out what happens. Well, you know, um, there are people out there who will say, I know what happens when I die. Super spiritual people who say I be meditating and I play all these frequencies when I meditate. And let me tell you, um, you're born again and taught for me to explain it, but I know you could know. I don't know. I don't meditate. I don't even try to now, um, now I'm going to find out it. So I'm not that worried about it. Um, I do want to use the consciousness that I'm blessed with now to create a beautiful life. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:57:34 Um, and, uh, and a beautiful life for the people to follow. You know what, just say you do come back. Speaker 1 00:57:41 That's difficult. Um, because what did you do when you're faced with people who, you know, like I'm not a patient person and I have a bad temper, doesn't come out alive, but because I'm thoughtful, but what's up my mind. You're not somebody I don't want to deal where I blow the Butch up. I don't care anymore. You know, kind of like zero to a hundred. Most people kind of laughed a little like, whoa, where'd that come from? Right? Like, fuck, you got came from a lot of thinking that, you know, I'm not going into action. And I'm going to do that with conviction, not a judgment, but just how that it's not healthy for me, but I'm finding myself. And this is more of a confession losing my patience with people who I'm considering dangerous. Now, what I mean by that is, you know what, you're doing good doing it anyway. Speaker 1 00:58:47 You know, it's not right to force a woman to take a fucking fascinating when they don't take into the other. It's not right. The fourth pregnant woman killing her life to anything she doesn't want to do everybody. Else's life added public responsibility, touchdown, or someone's coming alive. That's been pretty much a step to Penn medicine, careful about giving pregnant women, anything, anything about this I'm pregnant woman. And you want to force it on them at the same time as Texas, what they did. I would agree with it as, as opposed to like potion of religious feelings aside, I'm okay with my body and my right. Keep that same energy. Speaker 0 00:59:30 Yeah. It's got to be consistent. The message has gotta be consistent or Speaker 1 00:59:34 It's not true. I've had people write me, you know, poses, paragraphs explaining why this was different for the simple my body. The reason why it's four words. Yeah. This is a wizard right now. Uh, the town, like not a new thing. It, the smaller packs. I know you guys just thinking there's the propaganda. So is Washington mandated by city with small pot. Okay. Speaker 0 01:00:07 It's an interesting history. When you look at vaccines and smallpox and when the outbreaks happen, Speaker 1 01:00:11 I'm not even going to touch that. But so now I'm just going to keep a straight for sure. George Washington, to you up until now has slave to, he was a slaver. He was now who's the man. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:00:28 They use the argument where it, where it, where it makes sense for what they want to continue believing, as opposed to just being honest about things, you know, honesty is the look at you need, you need honesty, respect and gratitude because if, if we respect each other and we're honest with each other, and we're grateful for what we have. I mean, that's a Bulletproof way in my mind of living well and living well, not just as an individual, but as a community because we respect each other. We're not lying. We're not lie. Which is the number one thing that is Speaker 1 01:01:06 It's hard. So how do we, how do we, I mean, not to just our responsibility, but first of all, I'm under the belief that to mature, the people in this country are not yet completely under the spell. Sure. Speaker 1 01:01:24 But a good chunk of a saw 30% plot. <inaudible> my, my correlation is between affluent cities you have one to quote as hard to make it. It is full of beauty, but it's also full of suffocation. The Buffalo's shine. I like to say that, uh, life is nasty Buddhists who short lose to ask a while. So we do when, when I'm living a better life, 10.001% of people who've ever existed in this up. I want to protect that. I don't want to be like the peasants. I don't want to be worried about pine food. Well, the, my friends who used to be piling, Babylon and college, we was all evolutionary. And we want to see Babylon, Babylon, touch the bone. They want to put the fire out because they realized, oh shit, I got a 10,000 square foot house. I got four kids to go to college. I got a Y Speaker 0 01:02:38 They got captured in those. Uh, I call them the, the debt Jane's Speaker 1 01:02:41 Yeah. I make $450,000 a year. I've made it. I made it. I don't want to see the system far. I made it. And so at the quarterly, and not that many free thinkers out there who are wealthy, why I stepped out to Wells out to wealth. We can do that because I don't really want, I can go right now, write a check to sustain my life and my family's life for the next few hundred years, I can prepay the property tattoos on his property. Security is my favorite is as long as Speaker 0 01:03:21 That, as long as that system holds well, Speaker 1 01:03:23 Security is largely a superstition. It does not exist in nature. So as Helen Keller, Y I life is a grand adventure, nothing, but as much as you could control it, you can control it. Who gave us a billion dollars right now it's gone. How long would it take her to split and burn on Dallas? Speaker 0 01:03:39 Yeah, that's a set up to set up the set of what we're trying to set up. Speaker 1 01:03:44 We're spending money, hiring people like that's enough to actually get people livelihood, because the amount of money that you need is much less if everything's provided for. Right. And I don't mean everything's provided for some socialists. You provide it yourself. You participated in that, right? You got some wilds, any wacky idea to invent something cold. And if that means a lot of people need it, then you have well, the natural way, the natural Speaker 0 01:04:15 Way. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:04:16 It's okay. I like innovation training. Speaker 0 01:04:19 I that's the difference between creating abundance versus creating a scarcity to corner a market or something. You know, that's, there there's many manipulative practices that can accumulate wealth, just like someone can be a very wealthy, um, fif, but doesn't mean that, that, that those days are gone. Speaker 1 01:04:38 That's the problem. Now, most people who have the money did not own it, Speaker 0 01:04:43 Even if they don't understand it, because if you're a participating, if let's say which this is the case, that the bank extracts well from a system and then provides a loan to someone who can get it with a credit score, certain number of assets or whatever, it doesn't change. The fact that the money, the currency was created out of nothing and handed so that, uh, you know, a house that used to be 300,000 is now 1.5 million that both people didn't have money to afford it, but one could extract a loan from a bank and leverage that. So when that happens on a mass scale, it just gets silly. Uh, Speaker 1 01:05:18 I mean, um, we end up talking about this every week and we're going to talk about it Wednesday. And I use the word discussion, but I am really concerned with our collective mental state and our ability to handle the hard times that are stellar, right? Like, that's my biggest concern right now. And the motivation for blending neighbors together, they stole that you don't have to be a potato on a table like that. Have you gone into that? Because people will come in, they'll take it. That's great. Um, but where did those come from? Right there on the edge during the edge of a nutritional lifespan, they still have nutrition. And I would almost go like the came from an industrial system that isn't able to move that product right now because of whatever we use. And so they want to donate it back. It didn't come from us growing it here to like, go with while it's good that we have it. It's crumbling. Speaker 0 01:06:33 And it's not only is it crumbling. Um, I'd say the combination of, um, accidental and intentional, I'd at a high level. It's very intentional at a below that there's, there's, there's many people who are just like participating and not aware of what's going on. Um, but that is like, you can see it being weaponized against, uh, let's say, when they, when they say, Hey, this is, uh, a pandemic of the unvaccinated in that we can't participate in these systems that we can control and we can shut you off. So again, we fall back to individual and community security, where if we're producing foods, we don't need that shit. We don't need that thing. That's why, that's why they need to, Can't make you do what, bend your will against what your free will wants to do. Whatever that happens to be as a, as a, as a human being. You know, if someone wants to go like swim out into the ocean and see what happens and just keep going and never turn back, like that's there. I have no right to tell them, no, I can be like, Hey man, that might not be the best idea. Like you might not. Speaker 1 01:07:40 I did it. I actually have, when people talk about, uh, intense levels of mental illness and homelessness and work, do you do without putting people in jail? And I was like, you knew to identify <inaudible> you to put the drug. We have counselors and the mental health therapist and hire them to be in those areas. We'll keep people there. You don't have to have lots of, you can have people control for safety measures. Like if you're a danger to yourself or others, that obviously you have to be like locked down. But if you're not like that, it's not a jail. You can go where you are. Yeah. Good luck. I mean, you're probably going to die in the wilderness, but that's your choice, you as a free person. Right. And I think that's more holistic, you know, that I'm not being, maybe that person can get through their mental illness by being immersed in nature and not being confined like an animal. Right. Like Speaker 0 01:08:35 A lot of I would make, um, I don't want to call it a thing. Just my observations lead me to, um, look at a lot of what people label as mental illnesses, as sicknesses, basically injected from just the way that things are and like beliefs that people hold. And like, I call, uh, my consciousness get tied in thoughts. And when you leave those systems and go out into nature, even on a small scale, when someone's feeling like a lot of pressure, you go out into nature and it's just like, kind of goes away because nature is the ultimate medicine in so many ways, just from, from the foods that you eat from the air that you breathe. And you're from just like calming your mind and being in a balanced, Speaker 1 01:09:21 Toxic environment. This is a pressure cooker. It's fortunate that I've been crushed for situations. Um, I mean, some of them are just a byproduct of my chosen lifestyle, but nevertheless, I've been in a lot of extremely stressful situations where the decisions you make in that moment, I'm going to have, you know, dramatic effect your safety and other people's safety. Um, it's, it takes a third kind of potion to deal with that and not go crazy. Um, I definitely am self-aware of the intensities, uh, my mental state, but there's a reason for that. I don't know how much you go into that on your podcast, but those are the things that you can do. So drop the ego to then, but even then I've got, <inaudible> like, I'm, uh, I'm from a family. Uh, boy, uh, half of my uncles are bachelor courses, right? That's just too much, too much, too Speaker 0 01:10:35 Much, too much Heart connection, Speaker 1 01:10:39 Not enough the cities, the cities code them. And then they fell into drugs when I was it because the worst thing to do when you are super, super liberal posts is to get hooked on. So I actually like an upper Speaker 0 01:10:55 Yeah. Cause you can go do an infinite rabbit holes and loops and Speaker 1 01:11:00 Over out there now God, and these are, I mean, my uncle fucking was on a team that made the black hall. This, this level of engineering was so high that, so he came home one day. His dad now rest in peace, uncle Scotty. He died in the Philippines, but uh, he came home one day. He found his wife in bed with another man and killed them both. And they sent him to Saudi Arabia and like 76, because the military is like, nah, you going to have to just go over there and keep making this helicopter because you do the thing we need you to do. Fuck your wife when that guy. And he just can't come back, came back, wants to see my grandma before she passed that. I said, you know, he's put his wife second half this flight with Theresa told us. And it is in Philippines, Saudi Arabia, where he split his time. Speaker 1 01:11:53 My parents move over to middle east in the seventies. Cloud was conceived that, uh, in Iran during that same time period. Right. And he went crazy. He's a genius. But I, my grandfather, who was also, he was like building cars, fourth grade education. But wherever I imagine the carpenter general contractor worked for two RW was told Korea. We tired him because he was amazing. And they put them on or some, you know, whatever they do, but he got some money. Right. And we used to, my parents got money because my old grandfather made some money. He always would say, Hey, don't think too much. We more think class go Fu go and Neisha. And the reason the uncles are crazy because they don't grow food and we don't go into his shell. And he know he was really big on walking barefoot on the grass, His levels of insight. I don't know if it was just a natural thing. I don't know much about Mesa. We used to maybe he loved it through his that, well, I'm not sure, but as I get older, I'm like, I'm a fucking with smart, like tennis shoes off the wall in the class. Speaker 1 01:13:14 He's like, no, no, that's life I grow from that. I'm like, oh, I never got it until like my thirties. Speaker 0 01:13:24 There's so much benefits to it. You know, you you're, you're connected to that energy of that ground. And also your, your foot is working in its natural, proper state, all the, all the muscles, all the way up to the kinetic chain, all the way up through your spine. Speaker 1 01:13:40 Yeah. Partially it literally has to be better when you're walking there because you have to maintain that Speaker 0 01:13:46 And moves your body into alignment. And when you're walking on basically like squishy sponges, then don't support. It creates weaknesses and Speaker 1 01:13:56 Nothing. Right? Like we was made to do that shit. That's what fucking Keanu stay dominating long ass distance one. And they dominate that shit. That didn't make me want it with no shoes on blow. And they're like do act like as a, they don't even want with shoes on no, you lose. You could do one with shoes on you. Haven't got it yet simple. The people who don't use the shoes, the why wearing the people who used to shoot the wind don't wearing. But yeah, what's the period. They don't even want with shoes on, but yet they still wearing. That's how we think. Speaker 0 01:14:28 Yeah. People don't want to see them. Don't want to come to terms with the truth outside of belief. And that's why I'm big on saying like, all beliefs are unnecessary. You can have them if you want, if he makes you feel better. But the belief itself is unnecessary to the truth that exists. And the awareness of that truth is what it is. And so that's why for me personally, I always try to, um, if I don't know, I don't know. And if I know, if I know through my own experience and my own awareness, then I'm at peace with that. And I'm at peace with not knowing. Cause there's a whole lot of shit that you're not going to know. You can know have all the information of every human being that's ever lived. And you're still not going to know no fuck all compared to what exists. Speaker 1 01:15:07 Well, maybe I can't, every human being ever live, including an anxious. We may know a little something, Speaker 0 01:15:13 But I'm talking like on the infinite spectrum of what's going on in the universe. And they definitely knew some, they knew a lot more shot. I believe that, uh, you know, we have a lot of gadgets and widgets and things, but um, when you go back in time, a lot of awareness and knowledge, Speaker 1 01:15:32 Well, we're a very primitive version of our foremost owl. I agree. Like we do similar things like these things are amazing. I can go on here and talk to someone and another war, another the wall and see their face and talk to them. But what if we did that to Asher meditation? Yeah. How was that any different? Speaker 0 01:16:00 And, and, and it's really interesting when you look at that, as the communication has gone up, but potentially like the, the, the modes of communication, but the connection between human beings has arguably in many ways, reduced people, people are, people are divided more hostile Speaker 1 01:16:17 And the more we tap them because of that two connections, it's even crazier fashion that you shouldn't. When you look at the minerals inside the fall, it's the same thing that will end the tour can have pieces that people supposedly wore to actual plane. To me, that's what makes me believe it because it's literally like, okay, well, those minerals do those things. We just did it in a fairly cumbersome way. I know it's weird to think about it that way, but if I knew all of these things to be made and I just can't go and meditate at a frequency and talk with some people in another place. Speaker 0 01:16:54 Yeah. Consciousness, I mean, I have, I have my own experiences with things and that's why like, again, it comes down to like awareness because I don't have a belief about, I have a, an experience or knowledge of it. And so, but I can't like people can't communicate their own experiences, especially when they're beyond like, you know, we can, we can describe this and we can show this and it, and it makes sense. But when it's something intangible in consciousness, it's like people are going to have their own opinions on it. If they've never, um, experienced it, but it doesn't make it Speaker 1 01:17:25 Find your true. But if you're not experiencing any type of, uh, both or death, Y which is, I love that at the school about the, the wine, the psychedelic wine. If you see that one, right? Oh, talk about the, both of whom religion was psychedelics. It takes back all the major religions, the stories and the things that people like we're doing ancient glues to people go to a place and they will have this, whatever the wine was, Speaker 0 01:17:58 Different states because you know, like a psychedelic or a plant or an animal different medicines. These, I call them natural sacraments is because there's so much weaponize language. There's those methods into states of consciousness. And then you can look at, um, like the east, like to Omo and like Buddhism and different, different ways of, um, breathing that people can tap into other states. Um, we have, there's so many natural technologies that exist outside of ourselves and within ourselves that we can tap into. And it's, uh, I don't know. It's a, it's a great big, Speaker 1 01:18:40 I'm an optimist. So people ask me I'm into preparedness. That's one of the reasons why I formed the organization about neighborhood preparedness and a lot of my friends until we used to, I don't get this shit no more, but why are you always talking about how much food and why did you have your security perhaps, and demanding that people go shopping there, like, you know, all that negativity, man, it's like an affect your mind. And I'm like negative, positive. I plan on living. That's what Speaker 0 01:19:10 We've got a solid foundation to fall back upon, or like a, an insurance policy, whatever you want to call it, like you doesn't make any sense. And in fact, there was, there was a point in time within America's short history or that sort of preparedness was encouraged as a form of national, Speaker 1 01:19:30 Not on Facebook to ask you to turn in people, to preparedness it's national preparedness month. And that's when Facebook choose, they use that word specifically. You, why have you saw if you follow? Um, I call it my algorithm because our brains work funny. You could input things into your plane and not think about them deeply. I still come to the subconscious we'll work it out. Right. I noticed that in the last like six months, all these puppets handlers, I follow membership Skywalker. They know that too. They know more Americans are getting into preparedness because they see food prices going up and then I'll be with them without feeding them and stuff. So the algorithms are feeding people proper style at the same time as the government is now, doesn't want it. I don't know what connections there, if any. Um, but it's really interesting that a lot of people I talk to now are like talking about the thing. And I know too, and their name, one of the five or six popular YouTube channel and they'll have stimulate or know who they are. And I'm like two years ago, this was free and stuff. Yeah. So the subconsciousness is knowing we made all these sound B movies and shit. We knew. Speaker 0 01:21:07 Yeah. There's stories to stories, to illuminate certain realities that can come to existence. When a certain action happens Speaker 1 01:21:17 That unfortunately, people just saying they'll be wild that we have to have some tough times to make strong people. You guys know the quote, Speaker 0 01:21:30 They're stuck in a stuck in a loop and a habit. Speaker 1 01:21:32 I mean, it's, it's, we've been pushing. You ever seen that video, the kid dancing on the hill, the leadership, I think I sent it to you guys. It's a great video. It's a kid dash on the hill at a college party. And it's just one kid. Who's doing this, you know, funny dance. And everybody's laughing at him. And the girls are like, who? This loser, you could see people Schlick on Adam. And he's like, oh, I'm fucking doing my dance. Like 30 seconds goes by. And then one fat dude comes over. Like the first follower within three minutes. By the time you guys talk about, you know, leadership, people are running to the hill. So they don't look like losers and you don't see the guy anymore. He's gone and he's disappeared. This is leadership matter. Yeah. But anybody remember what? We just came into party aside by dancing on the hill, you have no idea why that pod is crap. And you just came in and everybody's fucking rocking out. You know, that that party was dead before one guy said, it's not the kind of party I want to have people coming to dance with us. Speaker 0 01:22:47 People are, people are Speaker 1 01:22:49 Waking up Speaker 0 01:22:50 To, to realize the power that they have as individuals that we all have. And there's, um, been this illusion cast upon consciousness in society where people believe that, you know, someone in a white or someone in a suit and tie, or some of that camera in their faces is where power comes from. And it's not every individual has power role created. We're all here for a reason. And, um, Speaker 1 01:23:16 Tap into your power, tap in. Speaker 0 01:23:18 Yeah. Speaker 1 01:23:19 And you're not a F followers and looters is, is, is a changing thing. Sometimes you just go first. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:23:32 It's an imbalanced way of viewing things. To say that, to say that someone is fit to control the lives of other people as, uh, a responsible leadership is someone who is cares and is concerned and is a participant within the community in which they leave. Speaker 1 01:23:48 And then they responded to, and you see somebody doing something that you believe in and nobody's following them, know that the most effective form of leadership is to really do their first follow-up. Yeah. Right? Like that was the biggest part of that video. To me, that was more important than the guy he made him do. The second post person solidified it. So if you want to go first that brave and courageous, every one's not even courageous to go first, but everyone can do this. Be the first follower. Cause the guy who broke the ice. So the personal Ivanka eyes, and if not the first Buddhist second, don't wait you the group to one up that's corny. Speaker 0 01:24:38 And when the group's going on, you may be jumping into an ocean of shit. You know, you may be jumping into something that you have mass psychosis situation, right. When it's, the best thing is to do is do the opposite of the crowd or to go away Speaker 1 01:24:51 Sometimes. Yeah. Because now when I pick, you don't know what they're doing, you don't know how it was formed. You don't have a, you know, intimate knowledge of what that movement is even about. Like people are under mass psychosis. I think that we all are, even those of us who are awake and not work until like, it was still on instance. Speaker 0 01:25:16 We have to, regardless we have to participate in, uh, the world. Yeah. And I like to call it. There's a, there's definitely a sort of, I wouldn't even say sort of that I look at it as an open air prison because there are certain actions that human beings to participate have to do. Right. Even if you don't want to, in order to not get thrown in jail or fines or this or that Speaker 1 01:25:42 Completely ostracized, but you're not able to use the community that you want to help organize. There's a sacrifice to be in an organized, Speaker 0 01:25:48 Yeah. You gotta be smart in how he maneuver. And, but over time I feel like the, the shift in consciousness has already sorry to be gone, you know, long before all this. And now we're coming to like a head of essentially egos really want to control. And then people who are just aware of the fact that like, that's not, doesn't doesn't benefit the earth or individuals or whatever. And in the long run, it doesn't, it doesn't work that way or Speaker 1 01:26:18 Your own mortality Speaker 0 01:26:20 Or your own who you are and what you, what you came here. Speaker 1 01:26:22 Do I have a question? How do we avoid an American genocide, Speaker 0 01:26:31 Um, being, how do we avoid it? Here's my, my, my, uh, awareness of how things work is to be locally active, responsible, engage with the community, know who is in your community, know who you are and always have each other's back. It's like, Hey, you know what? We all rally around around something, all human beings I've found no matter where we're at, we all care about other people, children, you know, um, living well to the best of our abilities. And so if we can rally around that and say, Hey, we're actually on the same page, regardless of like where we come from, different areas, different perspectives, like there's a fundamental human thing about human beings. And if we can just rally around, around that then in our local communities, and we don't have to do it on a national stage or anything, like, but if the communities come together in that way, then there's security there. Speaker 0 01:27:27 And then communities can be, can link up. Yo, that community over there is pretty tight. And like, we're on the same page. And we have these bubbles and it's kinda like, um, like we cut ours, we cut ourselves. And the blood comes and creates a scab and it stops the bleeding, you know, but if we're a hemophiliac and that doesn't happen because the communities are not tight and able to do it, then you bleed out. But if, if we're as strong as, as communities in decentralized manner, we can patch it. Cause we can be like, yo, you know, like you could be like, Hey, something's happened in Mark's community. Let's go like support him. You know, he's a, he's a bro. And same thing. Speaker 1 01:28:03 <inaudible> I think that, I mean, I am an optimistic. I'm also realistic. You know, that actually I questioned because I do believe that that's the path that we'll have it. Speaker 0 01:28:23 I would agree. There's certain there's, there's definitely elements of humanity that want that to happen. Speaker 1 01:28:29 Yeah. They're pushing us toward it. Um, and people are falling for it to some extent, fortunately, that I'm trying to be more, self-aware not fall for it because I'm getting angry and you don't think clearly when you're angry. Of course. Yeah. Speaker 0 01:28:48 Um, that's the power in making, that's the power in inciting anger among groups of people. Speaker 1 01:28:55 So, um, but at the same time, I don't want to miss the opportunity to be like, no, you will fight. You write a habit. You probably should have acted on that sooner before things got worse. Speaker 0 01:29:10 Yeah. Or to be, to be aware. So anger is, uh, it has value when it's true, but it's also like for me, I used to have like really bad road rage, but then I reflected on like, why do I have, why does it happen? Like I'm either rushing to get somewhere or someone cuts me off. There's no, that person didn't mean me. They're not trying to fuck with me. It's not personal. But, but the reason I would get to anger is because I wasn't prepared properly. But if I go and prepare, I'm like, Hey, I'm going a number one, like leave five, 10 minutes early, whatever. And whatever, 30 minutes, however long I need to be at somewhere where I'm not rushing. And if someone cuts me off or whatever, it's not a big deal. They gotta get somewhere faster than me go for it. Speaker 0 01:29:50 You know? Um, and so the point is that I can, through awareness, we can expect certain things and not get triggered into an emotional state. One ran in the heat of the moment. And then we can act out in a manner like Jess, you know, we can, we can act strategically in what's best for what we know is good, like ourselves and our community. And, and to make the proper plays because it's really easy for an outside force to come in. And let's say like, people were playing chess or playing a game and some third party comes in and just says like, Hey, look over there. Something's going on? And then they changed the game up and then they, and then they go whisper in the ear like, yo, that brood approach has cheated any of the same thing over there. Then you have an argument that they just spun up and that person's long gone and they come now, meanwhile, they're robbing your whole three year old guard. Speaker 1 01:30:41 Why are you fighting over what they did? I mean, I, I, my biggest concern is that you sing intense dark division. I, I said, I'm, I'm big to myself as well as other, for sure, to not get caught up in that. Um, because your language becomes your actions. Um, you know, we would say like, oh, you gotta watch these people. You're gonna have to take them out. And I'm like, that's some crazy top. I'm just saying I'm cocking crazy. I'm like, okay, let me be, self-aware that? I'm talking crazy now, Margaret, I think I'm wrong, but let me just start with not second. Guess myself, be conscious that I'm acting out of emotion, but at the same time, I'm like always there are things happening for sure. Speaker 0 01:31:38 There's an intention. Speaker 1 01:31:40 Like, Speaker 0 01:31:44 And I say like, you know, we're sitting here having a conversation. Everything's great. But it doesn't mean that someone else isn't like, Hey, I don't want those people have that conversation. But in this example, like just there's someone actually doesn't want this to happen. And we just are in a bubble of thinking like, everything's great and no one really cares. And, and then that, that person has an advantage because we don't know they're there. If we don't know, if you're not aware of it Speaker 1 01:32:14 Big, brother's always watching it on your phone right now, for sure. We always watch it. But if we're not always in the woods, Speaker 0 01:32:22 When you were aware of, uh, um, another person, like, let's just say we're camping in the woods. Right. And then some random like Bigfoot, I just say it's like Bigfoot. And they just are like, Hey, we want to fuck with these human beings. And if we're not aware of that, then we're not going to have, but by the time Bigfoot shows up and does whatever Bigfoot wants to do, then there's nothing we can do. But if we're aware, I'm like, Hey, Bigfoot's, uh, over there. And it looks like he's plying let's uh, let's maybe like not makes them no is, or let's make, let's make big foot, not want to come in here or let's move, let's maneuver. Let's get out of this situation and that's, I'm gonna make a plan to deal with it. Yeah. That's just situational awareness. Speaker 1 01:33:05 So what about people? And I'm smarter. This is your podcast and what we actually, What about people who are hell bent? They figured it out. And right now, if we don't comply and my patience is running out with people who won't comply. Speaker 0 01:33:24 Yeah. I'd say that's a highly emotional state and to examine what you think, you know, because I know from a, I don't want to get into like knowledge versus knowledge, but it's very clear that there are some people who believe that they know some things when they, when you get into the depths of it and they don't actually know what they believe themselves, they're just operating from what they were told to believe. And I would say for it, I do this myself and everything. If I, if I know something is because I know it, otherwise I'll say like, Hey, this is what I think this is what I, this is where I think it's going. But when I know something it's because I truly know it I've examined. It. I've looked, I've looked at all the angles, I've studied it. Um, and so when you get to people who are like, Hey, we know what's best for everyone else. Speaker 0 01:34:11 Like you could claim, you know, what's best for yourself, but you can never fucking claim that, you know, what's best for someone else. And at that point, when you're trying to impose your will upon another being or another group of beings, you're in the wrong, that's, that's what I would say. The delineation of good versus evil is, is that evil is the desire to control others. Good is the allowance of freewill to exist. And sure. You could say like someone, a criminal, a murderer would have the free will to kill someone else, but that's a violation of that. So as long as we can agree that we're not going to violate each other's free will, that's fine. Unless it's in defense of someone else. Like if we see like some kid walking across the street and someone's chasing him with a bat, we're going to intervene in that situation. And we're going to stop that free will, which is a violation of someone else's. But we're not just going to see someone riding a pink unicycle down the street. Like, yo, I don't like pink unicycles. Let's go stop that shit. Speaker 1 01:35:16 But until there's scarcity, Speaker 0 01:35:18 There is scarcity scarcity. Speaker 0 01:35:22 Exactly. And that's why, so that's why security a responsible, secure community can feed itself and a responsible, even if you looked at America, if America would really wanted security and peace, there would be encouraging people to be living more healthily, living more locally, having gardens, being prepared, not saying the opposite because that only serves to make people reliant upon a system that even like, even if I was, um, someone who wanted to like, just give everything to everybody, like at number one, you don't have the amount of time to do that. But even let's say, like I thought I was, uh, in a state where I can save the whole world. Right. It would benefit me if people could also like save themselves, you know, because then there's less draw on the need. And so if you're responsibly running a society, then you want your community is to be as secure as possible. You want your communities to like, even you could get into like gun rights, right? It makes sense for a community to be able to handle, uh, any kind of threat that comes in. It doesn't make it more dangerous. It makes it more safe. And people are, some people are not going to like that, but it is what it is. Man. I come from a responsible use of weapons to defend others. Speaker 1 01:36:38 I know many people laugh in the who aren't with the firearm because a lot of people didn't switched up. They felt scared during the pandemic. I switched real quick, real quick. What you thought somebody was gonna come in your house? The host of family. And that's good. I welcome. I welcome. Not the fear, but I welcome a loose understanding that self-defense is important to responsibility. Speaker 1 01:37:02 Um, I had a talk with a guy today on a podcast and I was like, you don't have, uh, you have food and water. And he said, no, I like, well, you have security. You have a file. I was like, no, those are hard to get here. I was like, you could have one in 10 days from today. He's like, no, they don't approve those payments. I'm like, oh, you mean for Kelly? You're like, what about your house? Because I thought it was just hard to just assume. Do you want a firewall? Yeah. I've been thinking about that lately. And I'm like, yeah. Right. Like trying to be responsible if we don't have any mental, I tell people you have depression issues. Probably not. Speaker 0 01:37:44 The, the first, the first line is self reliance, defense, whatever is the first line of being secure is to have mental clarity. Right. Fit like a good feeling. If you're, if you're in a highly like emotionally volatile state then yeah. There's, there's some other, there's some other damage that's already being done or been done that needs to be addressed and handled. Don't worry about like something else sabotaging that because there's Speaker 1 01:38:15 The most important thing Speaker 0 01:38:16 Is self sabotage going on or some other stuff. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:38:19 But I mean, there are people who deal with bipolar issue who want to protect their families and they have to deal with the chops choice. Speaker 0 01:38:28 And that's honestly, that's where like responsible community comes in. Cause we like Speaker 0 01:38:34 Going through some shit, we're going to like, make sure we got bills back and let bill go through whatever he needs to do. And we're going to like help him out and get him to a state where he's good. You know? And th the fact that people are so isolated right now, people are left, abandoned to deal with themselves within a highly densely, densely populated area. But they're still alone. And in that alone, this people like that shit just exacerbates like those states, because you get into those thought loops whether on substances or not like just, just you as a human being alone in isolation can go through those same loops and get to a state that people would be like, yo, that guy is crazy. It's like, no, he's not crazy. He's just trying to figure things out a little bit too much. It needs to kind of back off or whatever. It's not necessarily Speaker 1 01:39:19 At my house solutions. I get out there. I like it. I supposed to, I embraced the craziness because it's the human part, pushing your boundaries and you can work out and push your boundaries. I like to push the boundaries of my mind. I'm good with not, I mean, I don't think I'm crazy, but a lot of people, my friends say, you're crazy. I said, well, just because you do share, you never care about the consequences. I say, actually I think a lot about consequences before I do anything crazy. Speaker 0 01:39:51 It's crazy. Crazy is not bad, man. So a lot of people say it's crazy to create a, to create, uh, a garden in west. Speaker 1 01:39:59 I want to bring pigs and go, yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Speaker 0 01:40:03 Crazy. As a creativity is crazy. Right. But I like to look at, um, my friend, uh, Bubba is his name. He goes by, but he he's. He threw out a term that I like to use now where it's lighthearted. Like we don't have to be like-minded. But as long as we're like hearted have the same direction, like we can be different kinds of crazy. And we're not a threat to each other. We, our creativity, our synergy pumps up, but we're, you know, we know what fucking matters. We know that like family nature, like being good people, that's what matters. And we can have different approaches to it, but we'll, we can still get along because we have the same heart. Speaker 1 01:40:42 I think a big issue. Now that's putting people apart is that we're not a, and I talk about this a lot with my point. We're not self-aware that people are that easily yourself. Other people are right. Like usually that's like somebody dies or you lose a job or like something bad happens to you. It's different when, like the whole map of what you thought about this world change and the steps of grief, uh, their world. Right. And they're not linear, but sometimes they follow a consistent pattern because you have, I forget a lot of time. Disbelief, denial, anger, bottling, bottling, acceptance. Right? So the anger part is usually a projection. And I think that a lot of people are angry. And then, and this goes on both sides of the political spectrum. Either you watch Fox news or you watch CNN and you let anger by whatever somebody is telling you, right. Um, Speaker 0 01:41:52 Or neither or neither. Speaker 1 01:41:55 And it's, what's really interesting is that the way propaganda works is that people have to trade. And this is why red and blue I'm trying to get out of that. Absolutely. Was in charge. Blue media gets to be more honest because whoever's in charge had to keep going. Because then when it's not my tone to be in charge, I'm putting out you keeping this to me. When I'm in charge, I got to do it. And the other guy, the team does too. Speaker 0 01:42:25 They're always running defense. They're always running defense. Speaker 1 01:42:27 I was okay with that up until I realize that the up and up and is now the up and the end is depend demic with politicized across the political structure Speaker 0 01:42:44 Ridiculously. Speaker 1 01:42:45 So everything was preface for financial markers up for early on. It was all about the margins, Speaker 0 01:42:53 Just pointing at the stock markets. Speaker 1 01:42:55 Now it's all about controlling the plane. If you look at the propaganda, now it's heavy on unvaccinated or the blame for the economic, Speaker 0 01:43:07 Which that word itself calling natural human beings. Unvaccinated is a weaponized term because all you are is a natural person. This is there's no such identity. I don't accept your fucking label of unvaccinated or whatever. I'm just natural, organic, non GMO, whatever you want to say. Speaker 1 01:43:27 Next next you assign the insect term or animal term to them, which is typical. You already have people say, my patients is on it out. Your patients is on and out. So are you going to do, Speaker 0 01:43:40 Yeah. Why is that patients? Any of my concern? That sounds like a personal problem there, Speaker 1 01:43:46 But I'm trying to make sure that I can stay around it to not get angry. It's hard for me not to be angry when I see future genociders in my mess. So I just started to use those terms and people are not liking it. Of course. And now it's truly my, at this point, affecting any potential for political future in Workland. Speaker 0 01:44:10 Yeah. Speaker 1 01:44:12 I can't not Be fake. I just can't do it. You know, like caught up with this past. Speaker 0 01:44:24 This is the truth. And once you, once someone is aware of the truth, there's no going back. So when people are in a state of like not seeing it for whatever reason, where they have a cognitive dissonance, they're just not wanting to see it. So they avoid it and you can see, you can see it because people get emotional like you and I, we can have conversations with anybody about the way we view things and I'm not going to get emotional and like walk out and block and cancel someone because I know what I know. And if there's a, there's a, a valid, um, fact presented, then I'm going to take that on. I'm going to consider it because I'm, open-minded, I'm not closed off in the way that I see the world. I'm just aware of the way I see the world. And part of being aware is to absorb information. But when you see people who are like, no, this is how something is. And then you bring up a valid, a valid point, a valid fact, a truth. And they say, no, they avoid it. And they just cut you off. And like, I'm never going to talk to you again. They just disappear. Like that is someone who is not in control of their own life. Really. They're not in control of who they are. Speaker 1 01:45:32 I mean, I will say that I would, if I see someone's polite, trolling or refuses to engage in anti intellectual, intellectual piano, I don't engage them anymore. Um, because I have a platform that has a larger purpose. If you continue to stay up on to bullshit, I will, I will mute you on that platform because the wounds here Speaker 0 01:45:57 W when, when someone's being, I'm just trying to light fires. Speaker 1 01:46:02 I don't do that shit like point out facts or pursue facts. That's it. Speaker 0 01:46:09 I gotta be respectful. Again, someone, someone who's trolling just to, to do it. It's, there's, um, it's a lack of respect. You know, if they're trying to have an actual conversation, Speaker 1 01:46:20 I can show that lack of respect. And I know them. Yeah. That's what my templates, my temper is more like, Hey, I'm not going to have this here. I'm going to see you in real life. So they always take that ad. And I'm like, oh, you don't want to talk to people who are like, yeah, you don't want to be responsible because here's the reason I say that you wouldn't talk like that to me, respectful as how you would never do that in my face. Speaker 0 01:46:52 It's a version of, um, insanity, because they're essentially talking to themselves through a thing that other people can hear. Speaker 1 01:47:00 But when you're talking to someone, Speaker 0 01:47:04 You know, number one, you have to deal with the fact that they're a human being and not a fucking Speaker 1 01:47:09 There's consequences to their behavior. Look, if you push somebody off on out, they may hit you. But you also, when you ask the reality of life, for sure, Speaker 0 01:47:17 And if you're an honest person, you also see in other people's part of yourself. And so to, to, to isolate away from that, you can avoid that reality. But the reality is, again, we're all fucking human beings. You know, all, each one of us listening is a fucking Speaker 1 01:47:31 Human. Yeah. But even Speaker 0 01:47:34 Still, you should, if you're in a human body. Yeah. You're a human in some, Speaker 1 01:47:40 I don't believe when Elizabeth depo, Jason does. Speaker 0 01:47:45 I believe that there are, there are, um, human states of consciousness that are very inhuman, you know, and Speaker 1 01:47:54 You know, reptiles Speaker 0 01:47:56 And there's, there are words to describe things that people will put very literal, um, terms do just like a lot of like religious stuff. Like people take things literally that are describing something intangible and esoteric. And it just, it doesn't, it doesn't translate to, Speaker 1 01:48:16 I mean, there's a, there's a medium, I don't know her name. I just randomly saw her on internet with some black lady who's in Brazil, who, from America, since he grew up in America, she's super like super spurred. So she was saying some stuff that I had to sit with because I didn't know who he wanted at first, but I really had to like sit with it and I was still chewing on it. And what she said was throughout history, even now look at what's happening. Now, look, who's being villainized. Look, who's be exalted things. Haven't changed anyone. Who's a wildly villainize. Even to the point of being made in to a living devil and counted on earth, there's a propaganda. And you want to dig deeper to why they do that to that person, I guess. And she was talking about it's obvious, who's our oldest living devil and inclusive human history who we actually give a spiritual connotation to Hitler is responsible for that. I don't know Speaker 0 01:49:24 The most recent one cause there other ones, but he was waiting Speaker 1 01:49:27 There with Stalin and Stalin was coming to a hundred million people. I can name my kid, Joseph Stalin right now. I can't name my kid, Adolf Hitler. And she went in on that, on the coal and the global, what the what's happening in the war power and how the I'm like, how do you use that? I was like, you really sounded like a hello, Paul is this right now. And I'm really gonna, like, it's making me uncomfortable, but I'm going to sit with that discomfort because the way that shoe poor faced it was insightful because you're looking at history. You said that you're living in history, living this now who are the, who are the bad guys and the good guys. And they will leave the bad guys and the good guys. And if people who are in charge of history right now have to tell the story for 30 more years, what would they say about that? So I'm like, I'm not saying he wasn't a Jew. I would think that your study was I'm staying. Why is that energy put that much on that? Yeah. I thought that was interesting. She didn't have an attitude. I don't have an answer. I just think it's odd. It's odd because I'm looking now at the people you call it, you just talk about fallacies. Yeah. It's just like these people. I have a paper trail of genocide. Oh yeah. Speaker 0 01:50:57 They have a paper trail of Speaker 1 01:51:00 Exalting these people and the people you're demonizing are fighting against people. What would we say about the size some now I was Speaker 0 01:51:12 Like, ah, these are uncomfortable, Speaker 1 01:51:15 Uncomfortable. Speaker 0 01:51:16 I don't, that don't want to get into because it's a painful process potentially. Or it's just an uncomfortable process. People would rather just not think of it. But it's, it's important, man. It's important to be aware of. Speaker 1 01:51:32 He was basically who started off trying to do some good shit and he went off to well, yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. Speaker 0 01:51:42 There's the, there's the, there's a quote of, um, Speaker 1 01:51:47 You cannot say that on a podcast, know I'm at the point now I don't give a fuck. Speaker 0 01:51:55 Honesty is, is the best. And there's a quote by sun Tzu. Um, you know, it's to the effect of like, if you know yourself and you know your enemy, then you're not gonna lose any battle. But if you don't know yourself or you don't know your enemy, you're going to lose. Right. So people there's, a lot of people, I would say, there's a lot of people who don't know themselves or the enemy. There's some people who know themselves and not the enemy. Speaker 0 01:52:24 You gotta know, you gotta know it all. And whatever that enemy, like you getting into these spiritual conversations, people like, oh, everyone's the exact same. And there's no this or that. And it's like, you know, kind of like there's there's truth to it, but there's also all truths are half-truths right. You gotta, you gotta look at everything for what it is. And, and, uh, we are all human beings, but so we know like when you get into like the concept of the devil that you brought up, I say that the devil is the person that you'll you'll least suspect. And who's the person that everyone's at least suspect themselves because that devil can come up inside of the mind at any individual. And when someone's in a hyper emotional state, believing that a certain group of people as a threat, Speaker 1 01:53:11 Maya Angelou has a great quote, anything that's human Neisha, any human can do anything that humans have done, assuming they should, you can do it too Simple. Yeah. Right. So it puts you in a place of judgment, but I, I'm not like what we post partisanship. It's not neutral. We're gone up with integrity and love and compassion that moves it. There's an identifiable enemy to us being able to do that. Um, they'll be coming, they're being out it. And action is over the top. Speaker 0 01:53:57 It's survival mode, Speaker 1 01:53:59 Survival mode, Speaker 0 01:54:01 Um, a drowning person just grasping for anything to stay as float and weed. When someone comes to try to save potentially or help them out or give them a life preserver. They're like, they're just trying to climb on that. Trying to drown too. That's why my philosophy of doing things is I'm like, okay, I can recognize that person. I'm going to give them a safe distance. If they want to change their act and take a life preserver of their own to, but otherwise, like I'm not going to get in, get involved in there and their internal battle that's going on. If they don't want to be helped and I can't help. Speaker 1 01:54:34 So what, what if that group is organized and poses a threat, for sure. Speaker 0 01:54:41 That's something to be considered. And that's something that I do consider, you know, that's something that I structured things, I structure things. Um, I mean, I'm a fucking warrior, you know, that's why that's my background. And so I know, I know war, I know what it is. Um, and I don't want it. You know, that's part of like, I want peace, you know, Speaker 1 01:55:05 Everything possibly to Speaker 0 01:55:07 Avoid everything possible because I know that regardless of what people think and believe in their tough acts and shit, it's like when it comes down to reality, like you don't want to see the darkest side of humanity and you don't want to fight with warriors who, you know what I mean? See it, and it just doesn't serve any good. It doesn't help children whatsoever. They don't deserve that shit. They don't deserve adults who are operating from a place of insanity to be at war with each other Speaker 1 01:55:37 Constant stupid. Speaker 0 01:55:39 It's ridiculous. And it's like, people need to take responsibility and accountability and, and, and just be like, Hey, like what are we trying to do here? Okay. Speaker 1 01:55:50 And some people want us to find some people want us to fight. That's the whole point. They're trying to make us fight each other. I got some literally. Speaker 0 01:55:57 And that's why it's very important for communities to be responsible and honest with each other and be like, yo, you know, who's, hopefully everyone in the community is very good. You know, hopefully everyone wants, but it's just human nature. Like some people won't be, and it's, it's fine with identifying like, Hey, you know what? These people, maybe we can reach out to them. Maybe we can connect with them in some way. And we can, someone can, um, reflect on their self and be like, oh, you know what I was, um, maybe I am the asshole and that's fine. Cause we've all been the asshole to some degree. Right? We've all, we've all been in directions where we could have kept, we could have kept going one way and we would have been completely assholes, but we're here now and we're not. And that's possible for everyone. It is possible. Um, Speaker 1 01:56:42 Some people have more power. Speaker 0 01:56:44 Some people have more power. Some people Speaker 1 01:56:46 Have different areas. Speaker 0 01:56:49 Some people have just, um, a desire to control, which is like, you know, at some level there, if you can't reason with someone who just wants to control, then it's gotta be like, Hey man, like here's a line in the sand. Like we're going to protect our community against people who want to control us. And that just the way things have to be. And again, it comes down to respect. Like if, if people don't have respect and they show you who they are and, um, and that's unfortunate, but it's life, you know, sometimes the bear wants to eat you and you're either going to get eaten by the bear or you're going to escape evade that, Speaker 1 01:57:26 Take it out. Yeah. I mean, I would say I've always, um, one of the reasons why I never went to jail because I, a little voice would say like, stop doing what you're doing right now. I would have had a few close calls in my teenage and early twenties when I was doing, you know, a lot of like illegal stuff. Like I used to go out with like Tony supply though. I started as appointment and I started dressing like fucking Italian sweaters and it's crazy. Cause it was like, I could use my plane and make money. Right. And it was like, I didn't know, respect to people who had it and stuff is just not cool. So it's something that I don't feel guilty about it, but it's something that I know as long as I don't do the cold guilt. But, um, during that time period, what I noticed was like, It was exhilarating. It was fun. And it felt like I was getting over. Um, and I felt that I was morally superior because I was taken from people who I could clearly show what they're taking from me. For sure. Yeah. And I took for tat though. It kinda like, Speaker 0 01:58:38 It never ends Speaker 1 01:58:40 Never Speaker 0 01:58:41 Because does it, could that, that person who's born from them would say, well, I don't know what happened in the past, but I know what you took from me. It's a cycle. And the only way you stop the cycle is to break just like a habit. It's a bad habit on a personal level. Like if you just continue the same patterns of behavior, that habit is going to exist. And if you want to stop the habit, you have to break the pattern of behavior. And so it takes a lot of, um, fortitude encouraged to be like, you know what, I'm just going to be the one to, to stop, to stop this cycle. You know, even like someone, someone wronged me and it's just like, you know what, I'm not going to cause I, you know, I could, I could take my, take my vengeance and I could justify it, but I'm just not, I'm going to just let that, let that person go. Speaker 0 01:59:28 I'm going to forgive. Um, you get into forgiveness. And it's very interesting because people, people look at forgiveness in some instances and they say like, oh, it's a weakness because you didn't like get back at someone, but it's like, no forgiveness is, um, a gift to yourself because you're not holding on to what you feel that you need to do. And that's a version of control where you think you're in control, but then you ended up doing some shit that whatever throws you in prison or, or creates like an, an altercation that harms yourself or other people in your life. And it just, the whole fucking shit was unnecessary to begin with. So instead of perpetuating Speaker 1 02:00:03 That you kept the going, I mean, I'm not going to say that the interest is when someone takes clinicians until they feel perfectly fine. If not happier after I'm sure that's happened. I haven't experienced that. Speaker 0 02:00:16 Um, there's a cost to everything. Speaker 1 02:00:18 Usually it's better when I forget, because that's what ends up having to happen. Anyway. Even if I get my first know that I'm finished, I don't like people to get over on me because if you do it to me, you do it to someone else. When I was younger know glasses and hearing aids. So I was bullied a lot until I was like 12. Then at 12, I was like, I went from like four something to like five, eight. So I was the biggest guy for few years. So, you know, completely changed my perspective on it. And I realized, and I'm not a big guy anymore, but yet I'm never was right. Just because I knew like mentally, like was just starting to do that to me. Um, so I don't like bullies when I see it. I want to take them out. But who said that, that smile, I'm not, <inaudible> angry when I see the people trying to look that Speaker 0 02:01:18 There's many ways to take out a bully to, you know, because intellectually strategically you can essentially point out or someone who is like in a power hungry position, like one of the, one of the easiest ways to defeat that is through humor and like ridicule ridicule, and making, making, making fun of the, this false sense of power that they feel exists. And it just completely takes away that Speaker 1 02:01:44 Only weapon solid loose about that. It's funny because people hear a lot of, uh, every time people talk about solid Lusca they always say Saul, Alinsky Obama's guy who wrote that I'm like, yo <inaudible> is a amazing fucking book for how to do sort of revolution. Like know what that guy did, who I started to poor people's movement into cargo is that actually an organizer taking that and doing what you want with is completely different. The technology is valuable. Uh, I've used it as my primer. Like he was big on if they wear hats, what ha okay. What this is, it's a sacrifice. You no longer exist as an organizer except through your constituency. So if you can take to see all ball and they shaved the pubic hair, cause you better shave your pubic hair before you go talk to them. I don't give a fuck what you want to do. Yeah. It's a sacrifice to be an organizer. And if you're trying to lead and you're not willing to sacrifice, that's where you can see the red flags, some people early on Speaker 0 02:02:56 Clearly there's, there's some things about that though, because if it could be the right thing to do, but it could also be not the right thing to do. For instance, when societies in a mass psychosis and people are doing, Speaker 1 02:03:09 You know, Speaker 0 02:03:09 Yeah. You don't want to blend in, you want to stand as a beacon of like, what's, what's good. What's right. What's yeah. What's a, a different way of being, because a lot of people get trapped into this way of seeing the world and they just get into this loop of like, you know what everyone's is bad. Everyone's a sinner. Everyone's this everyone's that. So that therefore it justifies me to be the way that I'm going to be because everyone else would do it to me when it's like, no, I had this, um, it's like the common thought experience, experiment, you know, like, Hey, if you're on the ocean with like another person, and there's only like this last little bit of food or something, like, what do you do? Do you sacrifice yourself to that for that person? Do you sacrifice that person for yourself? Speaker 0 02:03:55 Or you just both die? And it's like, the thought experiment is always like someone that you don't care about. You know, and people will have one way of saying it, you know, maybe somebody will be like, yo you know what? I'm going to do whatever I need to survive or whatever people will have whatever they want. But it's like, oh, well let's say that's your daughter or your son, you know, are you going to have that same reaction? And then why the fuck is it any different? If it's a complete stranger in that boat? It's it shouldn't be. But, Speaker 1 02:04:23 Well, I mean, it's the right answer. I know for me, I would try to find out as much as that person as possible and figure out who's more important to live Speaker 0 02:04:33 Well, it's just you and a boat. And just going to be one person in the boat at the end of the day. That's Speaker 1 02:04:37 What I'm saying. Like, if I know that it could be that none of us can live too, we could just share it or Speaker 0 02:04:45 It could be like, it could be the realization that, you know, what, we both are going to end up dying at some points. Let's do, let's either do everything possible to enjoy these last few moments or to try to figure a way out of it, fighting to keep fighting for something instead of against something. And if we die fighting for something, well, Hey, so none of us committed a crime against the other. None of us like impose our will upon the other end. Speaker 1 02:05:09 I do have the one about, uh, the group is a common, a psychological profile task. I know they've done it. And, uh, and, um, what is not the CIA, what's the other one, all kinds of agents. And so some of the alphabet people don't of my friends who like tested really well, they got like recruited. Some of them actually, like I haven't talked with two years or whatever, but one of the tests was underground and oh no. It's uh, from, uh, green bay. I remember why we got to that now. So the underground and it's Quaker, you're in a convenience store, completely. The store is covered with Rabo in the, you have a dietician and you have a construction worker kind of guy and a construction worker guy says it's gonna take us 30 days to get out of here by the amount of what would as cover. You can make it 30 days. Nutritionist says, I'm looking at all the food in here and out of the 30 people here only 20 of us can live without enough food to feed us. All 20 of us can build you live. Speaker 1 02:06:19 What happens from there was only a couple of things that can happen either. They might cozy shadow, whoever Sula, whatever tribe or group that wins, shares the food, because they know that mathematically it's enough of us to live with. Typically what happens is that a strong leader develops who then determines who's going to live or die. And that's what they use in their training. When they send people out to do stabilize places that who they're looking for, places where there is a fair amount of goods. And there are going to be people who actually are going to see adverse effect because there's no real supply coming because of whatever reason. Um, I never liked that answer. I liked to answer better. I would've brought that up because I can same fucking thing, except like there's more people involved now. Speaker 0 02:07:22 Yeah. They try to give, they try to feed you a situation that has only a multiple choice outcome or something when reality, it's like, I'm a big fan of like divergent SAS, multiple choices, bullshit. Because it trains, trains, human beings to not think, to act like a shitty computer based where it's like, Hey, here's your things and here's your choice. But what if I have a whole other fucking choice that's better than all the choices you gave me and like, oh, that's not possible. Yeah, fuck yet is because all this shit that's going on is the reason why shit is fucked up because people are operating from this like multiple choice mindset where it's, Hey, we can only operate within the frameworks we're getting given. And like, no, one's allowed to explore the fringes without being called like a wacko. But the fringes it's where creativity begins because everything else is just a pattern of behavior. And so that's why, that's why I like to say, I like to put that term out, like soil based economy, because it's like, I love that toe basically on it. But it's like, dude, just think completely different. I don't want to tie into some of that. Someone else's ideology or something else where it's like, oh, you know, that's this or that's that? It's like, no, this is something fucking different. Is something completely Speaker 1 02:08:32 Infinite because you do Speaker 0 02:08:36 That's abundant. Yeah. Your, your efforts instead of being wasteful are beneficial. You know, just like how we live in a consumer society. That's so like you get something and breaks. You throw it away, you buy a new one and it's been designed that way. Speaker 1 02:08:53 I don't want this to last a long time. We really like slipped into Speaker 0 02:08:56 Yeah. And we don't want, you don't have like, there's how many shoe cobblers exist right now? You know what I mean? How many, um, television repair people have exist? Speaker 1 02:09:05 We just throw it in a landfill about another Speaker 0 02:09:06 One. Yeah. There's no, there's no focus on making things last or building things in such a way that they are growing things. Even when you get to the food system, which is given to us in a way that like just food itself, nature has given to us a way that it just works. Like you go into a forest it's it works as a forest. You go into monocrop agriculture land and it provides constant. You, it requires constant maintenance and upkeep in a way that's not sustainable. And when the, when the element, the human element, that controlling element is removed, it, it not only crumbles, but then nature comes back and does what nature Speaker 1 02:09:45 Quicker than we always think. It's funny when they put all those timelines on Shinobi or how they were grossly are like, oh my God, we thought it would take tens of thousands of years to, to what was the already <inaudible> Speaker 0 02:10:02 Human technology at its peak walk or operating in balance. The technology can be used to do like some amazing shit here on earth. And that's why I like to poke fun and talk shit on like the Dick contest, sending rockets into space. It's like, Hey, it's cool. Like exploring space and whatever. But if you're, if your fundamental philosophy is that humans are going to like run out of resources on this planet. So therefore we need to go to a cold colonize, a cold desert planning Resources currently, Speaker 1 02:10:33 And to start a new it's again, it's ego running away from nature instead of working with yeah. Yeah. Speaker 0 02:10:42 It's just insanity with a bunch of money behind it. So they're like, oh my God, it's success. Yeah. Nah, it's insane. Speaker 1 02:10:49 We shouldn't say figure, figure out what's much. We don't know about, about this point in this world. And it's not the one we're going to otherwise. I don't care about that. That's cool. I do. Jason said that just, I think it was some Jetsons in a flinch down. I love that. That's the one with the technology, Speaker 0 02:11:08 As long as things are balanced, but it's like when that's my, my philosophy on like the soil based economy, right? It's like each community can sustain itself with a level of abundance. And until you get to that point, you don't expand somewhere else. Right? You don't, you don't do that. And right now we're at a state where we have a lot of people. We have a lot of communities that are living in this imbalanced state where you rely on this centralized food system. And when that thing breaks down, like a lot of people are going to go through a lot of hard times. Um, but it doesn't have to be Speaker 1 02:11:38 That way. Absolutely. Speaker 0 02:11:42 Um, and now's the time to get shit done, right? Because we have this window of opportunity to leverage the resources that we have to create a better way. Even when you get into like, people want to get off of fossil fuels and stuff, it's like, sure, I'm down with that. But you got to get to that point because the system, as it is, isn't going to continue. So let's use the machinery that exists in this world to set up systems in such a way that we're not dependent on it. Like we can have people that can bike around everywhere because you, don't got to fly from California to New York, to Europe and all that stuff. Speaker 1 02:12:17 You know, it's a lot of technology to make trans Canada know high-speed well, that's high tech. It's worthy high look because you're saving all this energy, like telling me I can't and your economy improves. If I can live here, woken LA, that's a better economy. Speaker 0 02:12:37 Or if you can work where you live, we've embedded in the F and everything's low. Cause when you look at the natural world, right? It's like a forest, a forest is it's diverse. But the thing that the tree is doing, what the tree needs to do for its location. And it's going to spread out in an area and do some things and seeds can get carried, carried around. But the tree is primarily focused on doing that same thing for the, the Fern and the mushroom and all these different things. You know, they're all doing their own thing, but together. And Speaker 1 02:13:09 That was some people use as evidence that we're not from here feely that because we don't fit in. Speaker 0 02:13:16 It's not that I don't think it's not that we don't fit in it's that we have, um, highly creative minds and we can do things in creative ways. Right. And we can get on for awhile. But, but when you're, when your focus is, is, is, uh, immediate, as short-term thinking, let's say for whatever timeframe that could, short-term thinking it'd be a hundred years, 20 years, 500 Speaker 1 02:13:38 Based on our lifespan, because we don't get to see our past, Speaker 0 02:13:42 Uh, mindset. That's just perpetual. That's not how it has no time limit on it because it's just like, Hey, this way of living continues an abundant way of life. That's naturally self-regulating. So you don't have to have like some psychopaths coming around saying like, Hey, you know what? We just have too many people. So we got to get rid of a bunch of more. We could go to like one step away from that. So it's not so obvious or it's not. So just, um, hard for people to handle, but like the deer, right? The deer populations where there's a lot of people who don't like hunting, but you know what? The government pays people to murder deer that don't get used in the meat. So they do that here. They do it in Scotland. They do it in New Zealand everywhere, but they just don't want to deal with that reality instead of responsibly managing that resource and being honest with like, Hey, life and death, this is like, this is part of what this is like, what we participate in instead of being disconnected from it, connect to it and not like shout at someone because they're eating a deer. Speaker 0 02:14:42 It's like, Yeah, we all, we all participate in us. Whether we want to, or not. If we want to be like, again, the whole vegan thing, like people can, can do it, but you should at least be honest because if you're monocropping land, like you're taking away environment from other creatures, it's a very elitist, Speaker 1 02:15:01 It's a ludicrous because the amount of energy used to produce that food doesn't actually sustain the life. Yeah. You have to look at things at a basic how much calories does it take for people to create it? And how much calories is the Timmy input output I'll put ain't happening. We should be relying on exploitation of agricultural workers and, and growing crops out of Susan. And Speaker 0 02:15:28 You're getting products from the, some other areas of the world where people are, Speaker 1 02:15:32 Yeah, come on. You know? And um, I mean, I, diets are not good. We do a lot of carbs. We eat Speaker 0 02:15:46 Any kind of processed food is Speaker 1 02:15:49 It's trash. It will sustain your life with cancer. Speaker 0 02:15:52 Um, any number of diseases that have no known. Speaker 1 02:15:57 I mean right now, like, so I haven't done this all week. Uh, I don't know if you've noticed, but if you were super observant, you would have noticed that the swelling, since September of last year, I've had a type chat. I told you guys this, and my lip was swollen. My first Digimon, I had a per site. I was like, whoa, I've American. Took it out. Yeah. I can believe now I'm excited about going in. Like I can go out. I didn't want to go do like two, just two classes. My whole side of my neck as well, SOA. I can't be doing lots of shit like that when I'm literally having a fucking swollen. No, I don't know what the fuck is going on with me. Like it was causing me, like, it's something that man, we have to move you to do this. Speaker 1 02:16:41 I guess maybe woman too. I'm not a woman. So I can't speak on. It was just the place to shit, which is I can deal with it. The, okay, I guess I have a sore neck and I can't believe anymore. Oh, wow. Life goes on. Right. I can wallow in pity, but it does make me really upset that I thought we shouldn't leave. Have to have live with any of this. Had we not had this predatory medical system that is hell bent on just making money. Right? It's I'm working for the pendulum sweat. I'm waiting to help kick the pendulum to swing harder. And I'm trying to make my peace with my own mortality. Um, because for whatever reason, people just have 10 people have different issues. And now I have people like blowing me up and trying to engage moods debate me because they kind of were like, you have people telling me you shouldn't be talking to people like that. If you have a political activation and I'm like, what are you talking about? I miss a guy Speaker 0 02:17:45 He's Gabby and honest. Yeah. Honesty is the Speaker 1 02:17:48 Thing. I usually control me over. Like you trying to control me now already like seven names and that mayor's hat. I'm very unlikely to one. I only take tack the file with the people in the power structure to see how they responded. And they did. They responded extremely fearful. Speaker 0 02:18:11 As they're afraid of truth. People are afraid of honesty injected into a corrupt system. Speaker 1 02:18:15 No, I have the, um, the last three weeks, I've been really talent. That mandate really, really it wasn't the mandate south. That bother me is how people who I love and respect, who responded to it by people who fought for women's rights and women. We productive wise and rightfully so. And now government Speaker 0 02:18:39 Boot came down and said jump. And they looked Speaker 1 02:18:41 At shit. They looked at just let me go back to my restaurant and let me go points again. Speaker 0 02:18:47 After the, after they're telling you, it's never gonna go back. It's Speaker 1 02:18:50 Never gonna be there. We haven't even seen the pressure that no. Do you have a same question to you? Don't have food. That's why soil back to me, when you said everything's about food. I said that guy fucking gets it because everybody else and I don't do so well. That's why we were talking about prep. I'm a huge pop-up right? Like Speaker 0 02:19:16 It's still scary. You can only prep so much Speaker 1 02:19:18 How much food. I got so much food. Speaker 0 02:19:22 The ultimate, the ultimate preparedness. Like I can out prep all the preppers because out prepping all the preppers is living abundantly within your environment, your community, amen. Guess what? You don't need any of that shit. But until that, that system is created within your community. For sure. You gotta have a foundation of, to live with on, but doesn't mean that you can't also do both. Like you can be repaired and then work on building the systems to where you don't even need that. Because by the nature of how you live your life, it just is what it is. Speaker 1 02:19:55 Oh, okay. What can you control? You can. Absolutely. And I need to do a better job at this myself though. Thanks for the self reminder. Potion fitness level, the biggest prep. Speaker 0 02:20:08 Dang. It's Speaker 1 02:20:09 Huge. Right? Like what was the two days ago I went and ran a 5k. Oh my God. It took me 31 minutes. That's really bad, but I didn't stop running. I did 50 pushups pull ups. I run a 5k. I haven't worked out in faculty here. Cause I hurt my wrist. Not a horrible baseline for 42. I wasn't like a lot. I said, okay, get better. But like, can you run the unforgiving mile? There's a poem, a Kipling poem. And then you'll be a man. My son, I love that. Jason favorite poem, could you do that? Can you go run a fucking mile? Or when your life depends on it and get there and stay alive. Because if you can't do it, if you can't climb a wall and fall a wall, that was Jason got me. And he was like, vault this wall. He did it. And I was like, oh, he was like your dad. So I learned how to fight the fucking wall. Like, this is how you do it, bro. You got to get this shit over. Like, you can't do this to your dad, but all like all that shit you got ain't no man. Speaker 0 02:21:16 And that's, what's interesting when you get into health, like people say like, what is healthy? It's like, dude, a healthy human being is as optimized as you can be. You know what I mean? And it's different. It's different for everybody. But it's, it's like this, this, um, way of being of just like accepting mediocrity basically within yourself, not like bait judging and whatever anyone else is doing. But like, if you yourself never challenge yourself, like how can you ever be? You can be. And it doesn't have to be people that, oh, that's unhealthy to like to push yourself and sure you could, someone could, Speaker 0 02:21:56 But just to push yourself as not unhealthy to push yourself as is to value and to be grateful for the gifts that you were given. And it doesn't mean you get, it doesn't mean that, uh, they they've created this like such a victim mindset and just humanity that peoples look at someone else doing what's best for them. And then trying to improve themselves like, oh man, that person can convert walls. And I can, so that person's an asshole, you know, like is they're making me feel bad that I can't do as opposed to like, well go Speaker 1 02:22:25 Vault the wall or pull you Speaker 0 02:22:27 Down or figure out how to get around. You know? Speaker 1 02:22:29 Well you can do that, but you don't have this. Well, that's why I had a nice car or a, Speaker 0 02:22:35 It just creates this, this pendulum that you talked about the pendulum a little bit ago. And it's like that pendulum's going to keep on swinging at the same thing that, that, that pattern of behavior until someone like grabs that fucker and like sets it in the center and you can, it's like a swing. Like I was envisioned like, you know, you get this high over here and this high over here Speaker 1 02:22:55 And civilization Speaker 0 02:22:57 At its peak. And then it goes to devolving and it's like, let's just get to a fucking balanced state and stop pushing the fucking pendulum back and forth. That is going to keep swinging until people figure out that like balanced living is the ultimate. Speaker 1 02:23:13 So what does that mean? You don't push it anymore. You just absorb, okay. Speaker 0 02:23:17 No, it's that you don't, you don't like forgiveness. All we talked about earlier, you don't, you don't like just hit back to continue the cycle. Of course we'll defend ourselves in whatever way. That means. Well, we'll set up resilience systems and we're not gonna become victimized. We're not gonna allow ourselves to become victims, but we're also not gonna go and like victimize other people. And we're not going to go in, um, when we have, um, certain abilities or certain powers, like having food as a power, we're not going to weaponize that we're not going to have like the industrialized food system that can now be like, oh, we can just lock people out or this establishment power. Okay. If you're not, if you're, if you don't get, uh, injected with something that I want you to do, then you can't participate in this. And it's like, motherfucker, you didn't create that. Number one, you didn't create that shit. So you have no authority to bar anyone from it. And Speaker 1 02:24:07 Yeah, I wish I missed a message for people is, uh, stop quitting. The shops fire don't quit. Don't make people dismiss. Ooh, um, purger Perlo systems, Speaker 0 02:24:20 Civil disobedience. Speaker 0 02:24:24 Yeah. You can still be respectful. And non-participatory for a, an oppression that is existing Speaker 1 02:24:30 With my parents said the Christian world is to be in the world, but not of the world. Speaker 0 02:24:36 Yeah. There's a lot of, there's a lot of good knowledge from many different areas, you know? Speaker 1 02:24:41 Um, I think it was a beautiful religion when applied the right way. Right? I mean, if the Christianity is supposed to be around Jesus, so if you're new Testament, probably your super healthy old Testament, you pushing the pendulum. Yeah. That's why I think the Bible is beautiful because it's Kovacs itself is self honest in his own way of showing it like the contradictory between the old and the new and how like this was supposed to be a better way forward. The lessons are like, not because there's Christians, aren't Christians, in my opinion, they're not Christian. Right. They're doing the exact opposite of what, like Jesus really was telling people, but from a philosophical standpoint, I'm not a Christian, but when my philosophical standpoint, I will consider myself, but chooses to disciple. I like that is my guiding principle on how to live a beautiful life. Yeah. Be of service to people. Cause it's not a neutral do no harm. Do no harm could mean I don't do anything to help anyone either. So Speaker 0 02:25:52 It's, it's a, it's an active way of doing, participating in a beneficial way, contributing to society. And yeah, it's interesting to see people from whatever philosophy and thinking that they're righteous and just taking, taking, taking, taking if you're taking and not giving anything. And, and I don't mean just like the economy, like people look at, well, I contribute, I pay my taxes. I do this. It's like, honestly, that's Speaker 1 02:26:15 Bullshit Speaker 0 02:26:18 Doing something, speaking to a neighbor, like understanding, like when someone's going through some time there's many different ways to be of service. Everyone doesn't have to be the same way, but just thinking of something beyond yourself and beyond I'm like, I'm going to get mine or whatever. Just like making things better, like put yourself in someone else's shoes. If I was, if I was that person going through a hard time and how would I, how would I like to be treated? Because when people are in those situations, they're just like, they're just like, man, if someone comes and just listen, like kind to them, like, holy shit. It's like, wow, that's an, it's an angel or something. And that's what the concept of angel, but a human beings are that can be that humans like to in this monocyte. I like to like to say that people are just evil center is the worst of the worst. And it's like, look at any, any child that is born and, and say that to that child's face and get in and go look at yourself in the mirror and say that you aren't full of shit because it's bullshit. It's bullshit. But when people start getting these loops of, um, what they think that their beliefs are, are the, the most proper ones. And then they, you can make all kinds of excuses. You can Speaker 1 02:27:23 <inaudible> if you got the scarcity mindset versus an abundant one and abundant mindset, and this is something that long from, from, uh, from violin while it was a great guy, while I ain't go hard from Krista growl, who's always a, like, we're an abundance having an abundant mindset. There's some a leadism to that. If you don't understand spiritually what that means. And we also had another man, so he always provided for, well, we know that that's not true for some people in this world because kids die for death. For sure. So obviously everybody's not provided. Speaker 0 02:28:02 And that's where it comes to like the, the ultimate humanitarian position to, to take as to empower communities and individuals, because from that place, then they're not reliant on whatever the philanthropist to come and to give. Yeah. It's just like my, my personal way of being is, you know, every, every community that I can touch, every be a part of and whatever is my contribution. If I could, whatever that, whatever I could contribute, like my, my desire would be to have those communities understand how to be self-reliant. And however, that, however, that comes to be like, there's many different places where people can learn it, but just a matter of having conversations and then like, deciding like, yeah, this is a way to be, and it's better for our local community or children and society at large, whatever that means. Speaker 1 02:28:58 Um, it is incredibly exciting to meet different people. I think a big blessing from we knew these days we're coming, right. America has been, um, I'm not, I'm, I'm a, I like America. I'm an American. I I've never lived anywhere else. Right. And it's studying societies, but not that bad. People get a little bit hard on ourselves. We know we shouldn't have started to narratives and wish slaves and black folks got pretty bad. Native still exists. And so to us, black people, theoretically, we could, we populate this country and beautiful dominant population because we still exist. There means the stylist have completely wiped out. Any memory of people when they took over, there is no memory of your people. And they're gone. What came from this country was a ignite kudo experiment of what, what happens when the wall touched to the shadow again, because whatever we say, we went off into our own corners of the wall. Only the select few sailors or thinkers or the matches were not aware of what other people were doing completely absorbed in our own life. And then we all met each other in a few hundred years, went by, and now we're kind of like in a different space. Uh, I believe that we are in a space now, very similar to when the religions that we are still, not all of us, but you know, the color wall that the dominant religions all came out of a same time, period. Speaker 1 02:30:41 I think incredibly <inaudible> time period that we have links to not fully because we don't fully understand it, but there's an exhaustive amount of historical links, you know, through that, to that time. And, but we can't feel the feelings of that time. And I think that we're entering the new, going to be different religions coming out. Um, they won't be called that at first, but the city and I'm happy right now with techno religion, but that, that show American God, it's one of the last fiction shows I watch. And the book is incredible, but it's all about like the old guard and the new guys and the new guys who want to take out the old guys and the new guys that are technology-based all wheel. That is, I believe that's my closest to my potion. Religion is that better? Will we create these guys? We create these devil. Speaker 1 02:31:50 We made a devil. We haven't made a God yet, but we made a devil. We literally demonized, hello. That's a spiritual thing. Right. Partially because to tap into some of spoon, so shit and made himself some kind of Demi guy and dim, I devil whatever the fuck. I don't know. Who's you know, like it's, it's fashioning. And I think we were in those times, again, I I'm happy. And I think it's incredibly privileged to be alive in the time that we were going to see, um, possibly more challenging our there. Yeah. Which is hard to imagine, because if we think about, are we all like the same, like our grandparents saw a lot of grandparents were born. America was not a dominant country in the world and we did not have the <inaudible>. Speaker 1 02:32:48 Yeah. It's not long ago. People forget people forget. And they're like Buddhist, silver until like 49 or something like that. Right? Like we saw the rise of America. Many of them participated as laborers and workers. Like my grandfather has an enormous amount of pie. Who's who's up. I'll move. Sergeant. Why he was proud of his military heritage. Normally part of Martin Luther King's uncle cause Coretta Scott Coons is news. Who's enormously proud of the work he did in the civil rights movement. Those conflict. Now we don't have though, that's two different things. Now he was fairly well word who lived there. He lived through Jim Crow. Yeah. He had also made a million dollars plus with a fourth grade education because I could work hard and it's respected. That's still our America. Don't let these assholes out there. Tell you that you worked as a matter that this is not a land of opportunity. That's propaganda, that's propaganda. So you don't try to become a fucking slave to these assholes who want to fleas, you bugs or whatever. They're trying to cook up on us right now. It's absolutely the land of opportunity. This is a beautiful land. So I will across this country, if you have it for country Speaker 0 02:34:31 Little country, and that's, that's the truth for the, for the earth. You know what I mean? It's these artificial systems that like group people together and again, get us away from the fact that we're all human beings. You know, Speaker 1 02:34:46 It's the world, it's a world of opportunity. I think that's a good way to, you know, some optimistic time, but suture be awake and be kind and gentle. I'm saying this to myself because I just literally liked my tempo. My neighbor yesterday. I told him I was going to fuck him up when I saw him. But he was disrespectful. Yeah. Right. And I don't, I don't like that. I'm going to expect for person Respect, treat people like that. You know? Like, and people get mad because you try to keep it intellectual. You're like, Hey man, can we just keep it in an election? But people are emotional. I need to do a better job. Of being honest with myself to people are emotional and not asking people to not be emotional. Yeah. That's my old self-realization. If they're emotional telling them, don't be so emotional. Probably DACA. Speaker 0 02:35:40 Yeah. It's never works. It's got to be in a non-emotional state to, to increase awareness around in a road rage situation. Like when I can go back to those states mentally and be like, no, one's going to tell me in that moment, like, Hey, just calm down. Like it doesn't work. But after the fact it's like, as I did to myself, it's just like, man, that's a bit ridiculous to be mad for some, some bullshit, basically that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't serve anybody. It doesn't serve myself. So I just, I literally decided to stop having road rage and Speaker 1 02:36:11 I do the exact same thing. And I finally got my girl out of it more for safety issue because right now people are off their rocker and people are committing random acts of violence on the road because you may get whoa ways to flip someone off, which is not happening to like black people that day. Now you that, or not like women, or maybe you remind them of some, whatever the fuck Don't like, you know, I'm like, Hey, you guys stop that. You used to be the world. Exactly. Speaker 0 02:36:48 And that's why it's one of those things when people get packed so tightly together and can't feel restricted, but they don't know exactly what it is. These things can happen. But yeah. It's Speaker 1 02:36:58 And what advice would you have mark for anybody out there who's feeling overwhelmed and not in control of their emotions and scared. Speaker 0 02:37:09 Uh, number one is to, to, to stop, to take a pause, like the pause and to be still because there's a couple ways of being of living. You can live through action. They're constantly doing, and sometimes that's a necessary thing to do, but when you're, when you're constantly staying busy and constantly doing things, it's, uh, doesn't allow your awareness to expand because you're operating through some level of tunnel vision because you're focused, you're doing something focused. So when you stop doing something, your focus can expand. And so I would say to relax, uh, as you know, it's not necessarily something house, but to pause and to be still, if you have a place in nature to go to go out in nature, um, to be somewhere quiet, not around a lot of people and to just be with yourself for an amount of time that no time on, but just as long as you need, you know, to be out there and to, to reflect into, to look at the sun, you know, if you get the sun out or the nature and to just appreciate what is around and the fact that you're alive in, uh, there are certain blessings, you know, that we have the fact that we're breathing. Speaker 0 02:38:20 I was trying to have a baseline of like, you can take everything away from me and I'm gonna go find a Bush and I'm going to be grateful for the shade that the Bush gives me. And I'll start again. You know, I'll find it, get some water and just be, be, take, be grateful for the simple things, you know? And then when you're in that state of gratitude for a little thing, then just try to expand it on to other things like, you know, I'm really grateful for these people in my life. I'm really grateful for this opportunity and stop focusing, not stop blogging, but shift focus because whatever you perceive as negative is still going to exist, but there's also many positive things. So to shift, focus onto those positive things and just start putting energy into gratitude and being like, how can I create more gratitude for other people? Speaker 0 02:39:08 Because gratitude obviously makes us feel good. Not just like a grateful, grateful, blessed, but just content content. And so to create situations for someone else, even if it just like whatever, if you think it's hard, if you think it's hard to be a positive influence in someone's life, go get a sandwich and give it to a homeless person, go like help an old lady across the street or carry some groceries or whatever. Like there's, there's little things. People always try to go to these like big monumental task and be like, oh, if I'm not doing some big monumental tasks, I'm not doing shit. And it's like, no, the little things matter, the little things matter the most, because if there's a whole lot of people doing a whole lot of little things and that takes, that's a lot of effort and energy, that's huge. Yeah. That's a mass shift in awareness. And so that's what I would say is to, to try to find some, get some inner peace as much as possible, and then try to share that with someone else and someone who, not someone who even has to know, like, remember you, like, they don't even have to know your name. You just do something cool. And then like do that again. You know, maybe next week, maybe tomorrow, whenever just do it as much as you can. Speaker 1 02:40:18 Good advice. Well, my, a tough times never last but tough people do for sure. Rather I sweat. I always got from my father, always one of his main choice. Um, they definitely like they, they showed us some, a lot of, of the stress rightfully that parents should. Cause we did not ask to be born. So shout out to all the parents who do show the kid from a stress of life. Cause it's tough to make it out there. You're not rich. But, um, I am grateful for having parents who would have thoughtful, especially considering that my dad was younger than I am right now. You know, they were young parents. So like, you know, to be that wise, that young, under that amount of shots, I can only attribute that to the faith, not realize until this year, because I just don't believe in that. But I do. I'm going to find something. I want to have some kind of a, Speaker 0 02:41:28 And that's, that's, what's really cool about being an honest human is that you can respect other people's beliefs and not feel like, oh, we need to change everyone's beliefs or I need to like be against it. It's like, yeah. I recognize personally I recognize all systems of belief that come from an honest place, which I can say all religions do. That's at the root. Speaker 0 02:41:53 And I look at that as like everyone has, um, it's a perspective of something beyond language and beyond what we can explain. And so it's like if we had this massive mountain and we could only see one face of it and our face was like a bunch of trees and rivers and then someone else's face was like Sandy rocks and someone else had, you know, ice walls and stuff. And we all wrote, uh, a philosophy on the mountain and that's what we saw. And then we started passing that around and sharing and yeah, the ice, the ice religion is like, man, we don't have trees in rivers. Like these people are blowing smoke everyone's ass. We need to go start a war with those people. And we go, you know, they go start a war and then they kill them. And then they see like, oh my God, there's all these trees and rivers on his mountain. And it's all the same mountain with it's bigger than our perceptions. Speaker 1 02:42:39 Well, we'll go ahead and try to make the trees eyes. Yeah. Yeah. We fuckers respect Speaker 0 02:42:46 And Speaker 1 02:42:48 Uh, it is, well, you know, Speaker 0 02:42:53 It's exciting. It is exciting. I'll just close with the fact that, um, I think I said it earlier, you know, honesty, respect and gratitude. If you can live with those three things and like whatever that means to you, like be as honest as be honest and everything that you do. And don't worry about if someone's going to try to shit on you for being honest, just be honest, have respect, you know, so that's going to avoid a lot of shit that honesty might get you into trouble with because your honesty might not be reflective of the full truth, you know? So just to always treat other human beings with respect and treat yourself with respect and to have gratitude, you know, and, uh, try it out, see how it goes. It's going to go well. But yeah, man, I appreciate you. And I appreciate it. I appreciate everything that you're doing and I'm glad to have you on board with, we've got a mission. Yeah. It's about to go down.

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